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[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

All this is itself a thought terminating cul-de-sac. Things do not start at the end. You don’t start with a viable alternative before you criticize what you currently have and point out what is bad about it.

Thats utopian socialism. Idealizing something you want and then trying to bring it about. Scientific socialism is noticing the adjacent to good things that capitalism has caused and liberating them from the contradictions of capitalism that prevent them from being good. See: universal education, systematized Healthcare, public transportation, a centralized, dynamic labor force.

[–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

So, we need, fewer "capitalism has made my life an endless threadmill" memes and more "capitalism lets me have out of season avocados" memes ?

And then somehow devise a plan to reproduce the positive aspects but without relying on the profit motive and cut throat exploitation to do achieve it ?

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

No, more along the lines of "capitalism has developed a centralized and educated labor force out of serfs, which means we now have the tools to live a lot more comfortably if we stopped being exploited by the capitalists, and the easy communication from centralization and education means we have the tools to communicate and develop class consciousness"

Or "under capitalism, we have a lot more logistical ability to have doctors and have them see patients do to the transportation needs for profit extraction, but the profit motive reduces the amount of Healthcare people can receive, if we got rid of the middlemen we'd have the resources to teach more people to be doctors, everyone would have better Healthcare and doctors would have less stressful jobs"