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[–] PropaGandalf@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Couldn't instances or accounts just license their content? Like would it be legally binding if I write in my profile that all the content I wrote here is licensed under a specific CC license?

[–] 0x1C3B00DA@kbin.social 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Genius (the lyrics company) tried to license the content on their website and a judge said that can't be legally binding because there's no guarantee the scraper read it. It seems like the same would apply here.

[–] h3ndrik@feddit.de 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Seriously doubt that. If I pirate a book, game or TV series and don't read the copyright, it's still illegal. Same should apply to other written text like on a website.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 6 points 11 months ago

Copyright is a law. Everything is copyrighted, with or without the little (C). Licensing is a peer-to-peer contract. Unless you can prove the other side is aware of and agreed to a contract, it doesn't bind them.

Notably, licensing often is needed because general copyright exists. The license grants them the right to copy your full text or whatever, and if they didn't agree to it, then they had no right to copy it. There are exceptions for excerpts and search indexing and the like, but they can't (legally) just take all your posts because you put them online.

That all said, big companies have already been doing mass copyright violations for AI, so copyright or licenses don't necessarily mean anything unless you can force them to comply. There are lawsuits on AI scraping now. Because the end result is either making up some reason that copyright doesn't ban copying if you do enough of it or making LLMs effectively illegal and putting some massive corporations on the hook for mass violations against basically everyone online, I wouldn't personally bet the courts ruling against the corporations.

[–] 0x1C3B00DA@kbin.social 3 points 11 months ago

It looks like I was mixing up some facts. The Genius case was denied because genius doesn't own the copyright to the lyrics they were publishing. I can't find the case now, but there was a case where a judge said scraping was allowed because it wasn't a given that the scraper had read a ToS.

[–] PropaGandalf@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

What if it was built into the website? Like included in the HTML or something?

[–] h3ndrik@feddit.de 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

We should open a feature request. An additional license selection field upon posting on Lemmy, or a default setting to license every post and comment from a user account would be awesome. And free/libre culture fits well within this ecosystem.

[–] PropaGandalf@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

That would be great. It would be similar to choosing a language for each post.

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