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[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 0 points 11 months ago (8 children)

Afghanistan is the best modern example of people who won against impossible odds.

Israel is literally fighting for its existence and has nowhere to retreat to should they lose. Afghanistan, like Vietnam, was not an existential threat to the US. It's not really comparable because of this.

Since you mentioned “realpolitik”, and while you may have heard of it before, you could have heard it again recently with John Mearsheimer and others during the war in Ukraine, it is linked to Afghanistan in that, if all ukrainians were (traitors )like those in eastern Galicia, i doubt that Russia could have kept these territories : they would have had to face constant “terrorism” by more numerous inhabitants.

  • Ukraine is also fighting for its existence.
  • Realpolitik just means acknowledging the political realities of their situation. Political realism.
  • Guerilla warfare can sometimes be effective, however I do not believe this approach will lead to victory against Israel. They have been dealing with terrorism/intifada relatively effectively for the past 70 years and have built a sophisticated system that insulates them from Palestinian belligerents. While it failed spectacularly on Oct7, I don't suspect that will happen again. The only domain where Palestinians seem to be able to gain territory is in the court of public opinion.

In the same spirit, wars for decolonization could also count as other examples of successful fights against overwhelming odds.

For Israel this isn't a fight to colonize, it's a fight to exist. There are many Arab nations that could take in Palestinians, not so for Jews who have already been expelled from the Muslim world, and are facing enemies who quite explicitly want to genocide them.

Even without that, they can win(, i.d.k. if they will,) if the ummah was united.

Wasn't that what happened in '48 and '67? It didn't work out well for other nations who went to war on their behalf. Israel is much stronger now than it was then.

If it wasn’t enough of a weight(, i doubt it), they would certainly change the scale by uniting with Africa, the rest of Asia, Russia, and also South America. That’d mean even more coups by the west in order to keep control, and then by the rest, we(sterners) are lucky that they’re still closer to us.

Interesting

  • I believe you are overestimating both international support for Palestine and the military capabilities of most African and South American nations.
  • Palestinian resistance groups are getting support from Iran, who is using them as a proxy, but most of their Arabic neighbors recognize that making an ally of the United States and the EU is far more strategically valuable than backing this group that wants endless war and seeking unreasonable demands. Hamas launched this attack because Saudi Arabia was about to recognize Israel, after all, and SA is dependent upon the US for security. If they alienate the US they have Iran to contend with.
  • Russia has its own issues right now and cannot afford another front, and there are many Russian Jews in Israel. Given their behaviors in Chechnya, they do not seem to be sympathetic to Muslims.

If ‘fairness is excluded’/‘might makes right’/‘the only factor is strength’, then they’re not weak.

It is not the only factor but it is the most relevant one in this conflict, because it's so very asymmetrical.

Only God would know how to solve this situation in the most perfect manner

If such creatures exist, they haven't weighed in, which is curious given that Allah/Yahweh supposedly care so much about their followers and who controls their holy cities. Funny how gods are always concerned with the same things that their followers and the men who claim to speak for them are, rather than what I'd expect from omnipotent creatures beyond our understanding. It would be like humans trying to control ant societies in our backyards, why would we care?

freely join and leave communities with their own rules and paradise would come unto Earth

I hope we get there one day, albeit through secular means.

[–] Sparlock@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (5 children)

Israel is literally fighting for its existence and has nowhere to retreat to should they lose. Afghanistan, like Vietnam, was not an existential threat to the US. It’s not really comparable because of this.

Really? ? A bunch of half starved poorly armed guerrillas are an "existential threat" to Israel? Get the fuck outta here with that bullshit.

Come on, if you are gonna try to be the one calling for rational discourse you have got to at least try not to be so intellectually dishonest.

[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 0 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Spare me your insults.

A bunch of half starved poorly armed guerrillas are an “existential threat” to Israel?

They are unlikely to win but if they did, yes, the consequences would be existential. It wasn't long ago that Israel was the underdog in this conflict.

[–] Sparlock@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Because they don’t have the means to fight back and win. Because if they insist on intifada they will end up with nothing. --DarkGamer

They are unlikely to win but if they did, yes, the consequences would be existential. It wasn’t long ago that Israel was the underdog in this conflict. --DarkGamer

So they are both weak and strong. Hrm right out of the fascists handbook.

Keep telling us who you are when you get back from your goose-stepping practice.

[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Clearly you have difficulties with the concept of time. They were weak they are strong. But any excuse to call those who disagree fascist, I guess.

[–] Sparlock@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

LOL you are amazing at justifying your bullshit.

I noticed the zionists seem to like saying that gaza isn't being carpet bombed and such so how do you explain :

“Dresden, Hamburg, Cologne — some of the world’s heaviest-ever bombings are remembered by their place names,” said Robert Pape, a US military historian and author of Bombing to Win, a landmark survey of 20th century bombing campaigns. “Gaza will also go down as a place name denoting one of history’s heaviest conventional bombing campaigns.” from the financial times (non paywalled no excuses link https://archive.ph/DSZ1b/ )

They even have pretty graphs showing how it is worse.

Oh and since you seem to think TIME is an issue for me tell me how fast was WW2 vs everything since Oct 7?? Nevermind I'll just tell you since your propaganda addled brain (yea that's an insult you dipshit) will try to block it out. "By contrast, over the space of two years, between 1943 and 1945, the Allied bombing of 61 major German cities razed an estimated 50 per cent of their urban areas, according to Pape."

Odd how these things seem bad even in the light of history, maybe Israel can get all the way to # 1 on the charts!!!

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