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[–] Lauchs@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This is to fundamentally misunderstand the game. Donald wants to fight this fight, it's a winner for his base and a non issue for independents.

In 2016 there were plenty of dire warnings about trump's authoritarian leanings. To a casual voter more concerned about inflation or stagnant wages, well, America didn't descend into fascism last time, seems weird it would happen this time.

That's not to say it's not the most important issue but it's not the winning issue, which is infinitely more important.

[–] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Trump proclaiming he will be a Dictator is not the winning message he thinks it is. The Foundling Father's actually documented what should occur if someone declares themselves a King.

Thomas Paine galvanized the American public with the thought that full independence from Britain was possible. It marked an important intellectual phase of the movement when many individuals in the North American colonies began to think that there were two alternatives that were now possible: an alternative to British rule and an alternative to rule by a single man.

In these passages Paine worries about a newly independent America reverting to a monarchy. Paine thought an agitator like Massanello might prey on discontent to to take over the government and declare himself king. Thomas Jefferson, in a letter to Robert Livingston (December 1800), worried in a similar fashion that republicanism in America was only skin deep and that there lurked a monarchie masquée (hidden monarchy) just below the surface. It should be remembered that there were some who thought George Washington should have been a monarch not a president in the new American nation. In Paine’s strict republican view if there were to be “king” it would have to be the rule of law not that of a single man. Furthermore, if a day of celebration were to be set aside then homage should be paid to the law (the “Charter”), a crown set upon it to remind those gathered that “the law is king”, and at the end of the ceremony the crown should be smashed and scattered among the people as a reminder that the notion of kingship is a dangerous thing in a free republic.

Common Sense (1776)

Thomas Paine reminded the American colonists that in a free republic “ the law is king” and that if a day were to be set aside to celebrate the republic’s achievements then it should not be focused on a single man but on the law itself:

But where, say some, is the King of America? I’ll tell you, friend, he reigns above, and doth not make havoc of mankind like the Royal Brute of Great Britain. Yet that we may not appear to be defective even in earthly honours, let a day be solemnly set apart for proclaiming the Charter; let it be brought forth placed on the Divine Law, the Word of God; let a crown be placed thereon, by which the world may know, that so far as we approve of monarchy, that in America the law is king. For as in absolute governments the King is law, so in free countries the law ought to be king; and there ought to be no other. But lest any ill use should afterwards arise, let the Crown at the conclusion of the ceremony be demolished, and scattered among the people whose right it is.

A government of our own is our natural right: and when a man seriously reflects on the precariousness of human affairs, he will become convinced, that it is infinitely wiser and safer, to form a constitution of our own in a cool deliberate manner, while we have it in our power, than to trust such an interesting event to time and chance. If we omit it now, some Massanello may hereafter arise [Note: Thomas Anello, otherwise Massanello, a fisherman of Naples, who after spiriting up his countrymen in the public market place, against the oppression of the Spaniards, to whom the place was then subject, prompted them to revolt, and in the space of a day became King], who, laying hold of popular disquietudes, may collect together the desperate and the discontented, and by assuming to themselves the powers of government, finally sweep away the liberties of the Continent like a deluge.

[–] Lauchs@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

Trump proclaiming he will be a Dictator is not the winning message he thinks it is.

No, it isn't. But what does help him is if the media fixates on that instead of things that will convince independents and swing voters.

The Foundling Father’s actually documented what should occur if someone declares themselves a King.

I think if the American voting public actually cared about the founding fathers, Democracy and the risk of authoritarianism, they would have rejected him hard in 2016, much more resoundingly in 2020 rather than the nailbiter it was.

I wish that people were as enlightened or thoughtful as you posit but I don't think that's the case.

Making the case to the highly educated, focused on politics crowd isn't a great tactic. Trump is setting us up to fight a fight that he can win and goddamn, we're going to take the bait aren't we?