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    Linus does not fuck around (lemmy.one)
    submitted 11 months ago by AdventuringAardvark@lemmy.one to c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world
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    [–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 524 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    I feel it's equally important to point ot that Torvalds recognized his toxic behavior, apologized for it, and took steps to rectify it.

    In an email to the Linux Kernel Mailing List, which also addresses the kernel update of Linux 4.19-rc4, Torvalds writes: "I need to change some of my behavior, and I want to apologize to the people that my personal behavior hurt and possibly drove away from kernel development entirely."

    "I am going to take time off and get some assistance on how to understand people's emotions and respond appropriately."

    [–] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 262 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    That was seriously admirable. From memory he actually did improve quite a lot after that as well.

    [–] erev@lemmy.world 111 points 11 months ago

    I've heard he's not perfect but he doesn't lose his temper anymore and has only gotten better with age. I respect anyone who can self reflect and introspect and come out a better person.

    [–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 103 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    Yeah, shouting at your subordinates in public is utter bullshit.

    [–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 24 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    So is breaking the userspace

    [–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 11 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    So two wrongs make a right? Or could this have been a civil private email instead? And if civil private conversations aren't working, then it's time to part ways.

    [–] pohart@programming.dev 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    A civil public email would have been fine.

    [–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    Acceptable, yes. But a good manager knows not to shine a spotlight on the mistakes of the team. There's nothing to gain keeping it public that you wouldn't also gain by keeping it private. But your team's morale is kept high if you sing their praises instead of their shortcomings.

    [–] pohart@programming.dev 4 points 11 months ago

    I get what your saying, but i feel like the aggressively public development model means that more could be public here than i would accept on another team.

    [–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    This probably helped others not to make the same mistake

    [–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    Of working with Linus? Yes, it probably did.

    [–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago

    What? I'm talking about breaking userspace?

    [–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 41 points 11 months ago

    I'm really glad you added this, that was pretty awful to read.

    [–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 0 points 11 months ago

    It's sad we don't get this energy anymore. Who will keep the fuckers in line now