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[–] fender_symphonic584@lemmy.world 46 points 11 months ago (5 children)

"falling inflation" means prices are still rising...the rate of increase is what has decreased. What we need is negative inflation...or said differently, price decrease.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 21 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

You don't actually want that. It encourages people to "invest" by sticking hard cash in a mattress. It rewards people for doing absolutely nothing but taking money out of the economy.

Ideal (if we're keeping a monetary exchange society, anyway) is low (<3%), predictable inflation combined with wages increasing in proportion to productivity. We had a period of relatively low inflation followed by a giant spike, plus wage gains that are nowhere near matching productivity gains over the last 50 years, and that's where things hurt. Capitalism doesn't seem capable of this, however, as it's always chasing the next hype cycle that leads to these spikes and lulls.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

As opposed to what we have going on right now, which is to punish working class people so ruling class people can still have prosperity.

[–] HerrBeter@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Deflation means stagnation or crash in economic terms

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Cool, working class people aren't really thriving right now anyway. Maybe an economy crash could result in a restructuring of wealth and new tax policy.

[–] HerrBeter@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Sure. I don't believe in infinite growth either, I'm unsure however who'd come up on top. The new aristocracy?

[–] Bonskreeskreeskree@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

What you are describing is deflation and it's only happened twice during the history of the United States. It is also generally looked at as a bad thing.

[–] Jarix@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Is inflation generally looked at as a good thing or a bad thing? Ive only ever heard people complain about inflation.

If they are both bad things im willing to give the bad thing that improves my life a try over the bad thing that makes everything more expensive.

Granted i have nothing so im probably on the side of things that is least effected by the bad side of deflation.

If i can spend more money on the things i want to, it will absolutely help small local businesses near me

[–] pixeltree@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

A small amount of inflation is healthy. You REALLY want to avoid deflation, because that means the value of your money is increasing. If people know their money will be worth more in the future, they won't spend it, incentivized to save and sit on it. That means on average everyone spends less, slowing the economy down and starting into a recession/depression.

Gonna slap this with the good old "I am not an economist" disclaimer, juat what I remember from economics class in high school

[–] sukhmel@programming.dev 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Only problem that right now people also may decide against buying because they can't afford it. Also, I'm not sure world is producing goods at a healthy rate either, more like we've got a bit of an overproduction

[–] pixeltree@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Yeah, obviously wages SHOULD be keeping up with inflation and inflation should be a low, stable amount. That's the problem, not inflation in general.

[–] SCB@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

What you learned in high school puts you miles ahead of 99% of these comments

[–] TangledHyphae@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

People still have to spend money, hoarding wealth makes no sense if you can't eat and pay for services and utilities.

[–] SCB@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago

I have no idea what this is in reference to

[–] nevemsenki@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Japan has been struggling with deflation (=decrease of prices) for a good 25 years now... you really don't want that happening. Ideally you want something around 2% inflation.

[–] sukhmel@programming.dev 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

What are the issues with deflation other than that people wouldn't want to invest in whatever is available?

[–] nevemsenki@lemmy.world -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You also shouldn't purchase, since goods will get cheaper over time. Also don't take loans for the same reasons. Basically you should take your money in cash and sit on it.

[–] TangledHyphae@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That falls apart with necessities like food and medicine, doesn't it?

[–] nevemsenki@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Those are considered inelastic goods, yes. They are also way too small an amount to keep an economy going. Most things we spend money on aren't like that, and demand going down like so will affect markets; companies not producing necessities or for export will fold if it lasts too long, etc.

[–] Wahots@pawb.social 1 points 11 months ago

Deflation is a death spiral. China is going through it rn. The currency gets stronger, but then people wait to buy stuff like houses because it will be cheaper in a few months. It creates a snowball effect as people all start holding off on buying and selling stuff, wanting the best deal possible, or then being unable to buy things if people hold off on selling.