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A recently released Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) document titled “Domestic Terrorism Symbols Guide”* links common protest symbols to “terrorism” — another marker in a common theme of conflating militant protest for social justice with deadly terrorist violence within the United States. Groups like the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and the Brennan Center have raised warnings about such documents, citing inadequate protections for people’s constitutional rights.

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[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

But confronting fascists is good optics for them.

Absolutely not.

Anyone who believes that understands nothing about fascism at all. The pretense of "unopposable strength" is literally the only reason they will show themselves in public - if you don't oppose it forcefully they win by default.

A news article covering a bunny of dudes waving nazi flags

The media will happily ignore fascism. After all, the rich media bosses know who it is that will protect their precious private property for them, just like all the rich people do... that is why they fund fascists - there is no such thing as "grassroots fascism". The fact that antifa's resistance meant they couldn't is literally one of the reasons the US's secret police is now seeing antifa as a threat to the status quo.

Ignoring fascism is no different than ignoring climate change - doing so doesn't make it go away.

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world -4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

What do you think was more optically advantageous for the left, a bunch of patriot front idiots getting arrested just for marching, or antifa and the proud boys brawling?

We're not at the point of civil war. Optics are still more important than punching them.

Actually, portraying your enemy as both strong and weak is crucial to fascism. To nazis, the jews were simultaneously subhuman and also in control of the world. To the alt right, the left is simultaneously soy boy beta cucks and nazi punching radicals. If you remove yourself from their narrative, it fails apart. And instead of brave defenders of western culture under attack from crazy leftist extremists, they simply become weird motherfuckers waving nazi flags in (current year).

I'm not gonna say don't punch nazis, but don't do it in an organized fashion at a rally where they hope to provoke a reaction.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

What do you think was more optically advantageous for the left

Showing the fascists - and their spineless "centrist" allies - that they will face real opposition in the streets. When the fash start marching, that is the only optics that matter.

bunch of patriot front idiots getting arrested just for marching

Arrested by whom? Their KKK and neo-nazi allies you optimistically call "police"?

You don't have to believe me, Clyde... you can hear it straight from a neo-nazi, too.

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Sooo... you're just going to conveniently ignore this.

And this.

And this.

And this.

And this.

And this.

And, surprise, surprise, this.

At this point I have to ask... are you sure you're not a bit sympathetic to fascism yourself?

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yes, I know, that's my point. In a clash between fash and antifa, we know what police are going to do. If nobody engages with them and their behavior becomes such that the police themselves actually have to arrest them, that's amazing.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

We'll continue this conversation when you come back to the real world, okay?