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And my point is that yes, they are real, they are also a figment of our imagination.
We don’t imagine them. They imagine us.
We are the result of them. We are the effluence of thoughts.
I don't think this person believes that people are actively making up intrusive thoughts or talking about something that doesn't happen. It seems like they're saying that thoughts, any thoughts, are our imagination, intrusive or otherwise.
Yes. It's basically a rephrasing of the OP which also intentionally didn't use the words 'intrusive thoughts'. I'm a master at being downvoted by people who have already agreed with what I'm saying, but lack the capacity to realise it.
Yes. I understand what this person is saying.
I was not saying that this person thought the phenomenon did not exist or was made up.
My point is they are unwanted but won’t go away. That is why they are intrusive.
It is not any big mystery. It is a well known phenomenon. You try not to think of the thoughts, because they cause great pain, and the thoughts happen more.
What is the problem here? What is the great problem in calling them by a name that makes experiential sense? Nothing. There is no problem.
These intrusive thoughts often involve harming people we love. Which is like being tortured for hours daily, and months, and even years for some. We don’t want to think these thoughts, but they keep intruding on us.
Why do we not want to think of these thoughts as “our thoughts”? Because if they are our thoughts (or if they are us) then we are horrific monsters.
But through years of torture many of us have, emerged from the ruins of our life, and learned that we are not monsters. We are just being tortured by the monster of existence.
I imagine you believe that.