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[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah, let's consider how NATO has been expanding east for the past 30 years and destroying countries. Let's also consider that NATO set the precedent for what Russia is doing in Yugoslavia.

Meanwhile, none of your moralizing matters in the end. Russia had concerns, and they made them clear. The west had a choice to take them seriously or not. The west chose the latter and that led to a war.

Meanwhile, the only idiotic miscalculation of historic proportions was in trying to cut Russia off from world trade. That very clearly hasn't happened, as all the western bankers knew it wouldn't. However, it absolutely did undermine the legitimacy of the western financial system.

India now trade with Russia using rupees, China trades with Russia in Yuan, and even America's best friends the Saudis won't return Biden's calls while talking about switching to yuan for their oil payments to China.

Cheaters never prosper. It’s not creating security, but serfdom.

Precisely why the west is failing today. The west brutally enslaved billions of people in the global south and has been enjoying a high standard of living plundering their labor and resources. Those days are rapidly coming to an end my friend.

Meanwhile, I've repeatedly explained to you that I don't live in Russia and I don't have any stake in Russia's future. I absolutely think Russia will fall into China's orbit and will become its client state. Just like the country I reside in is a client state of the US.

The problem for Europe however isn't whom Russia answers to but where its resources and energy come from. If European leaders had any brains they would've integrated Russia into Europe as an equal partner and secured Europe's needs the way China will secure theirs now.

[–] Julianus@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes, the top 10% wealthiest (the West?) enjoy a life on the backs of the rest. That has to change, simply from the carbon output. How do you convince westerners to sacrifice their comfort? Thanks, Russia?

I hope Europe uses this opportunity to curb their dependence on carbon-based fuel.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago

That's clearly not going to change by choice. Most people in the west refuse to sacrifice their comfort or to think about what the true cost of their lifestyle is. Only way anything will change is when the western hegemony is dethroned by the people whose necks the west stands on.

It would be great if Europe actually tried to curb their dependence on fossil fuels, but doesn't look like there's any meaningful plan to do that. Germany won't even reopen its nuclear plants which is the only realistic option. The whole reason Germany asked Russia to build nord stream 2 was because reneweables weren't meeting their energy needs.

Meanwhile, becoming energy independent requires energy. Europe needs to create industries and to manufacture power plants to produce energy going forward. Where is the energy for that going to come from?