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"If 10 people are sitting at a table being civil to 1 nazi, there are 11 nazis at the table."
Ah, yes, the civil environment of social media
They aren't being civil to the Nazi. They aren't conceding the table. They are furious at him for messing up the table.
This metaphor falls down when you realize the table is in a restaurant owned by a Nazi, and the table by the window makes the restaurant look really popular.
Refusing to concede the table is literally adding value to the Nazi owned table, and giving others cover to say "no we also hate Nazis; we're just here because that table looks cool" which furthers the problem.
They are there because they were there before the Nazi bought the restaurant.
I want them to leave to, and come to Mastadon and Lemmy, but they don't see able to. I don't think of them as Nazies because of it. They argue with the Nazies. They are just ignorant and not IT literate enough to move. Though I think there is wide acceptance that it's getting more and more toxic there.
Oh, shit, well as long as they got to the restaurant before the Nazi bought it, I guess there's no harm in continuing to support it. Especially if they don't have the technical knowledge to... Stop using a website?
Not sure you can say the are supporting it. They can't use the other restaurants and can't cook. There is probably a certain amount of denial they are dealing will full-on Nazies. Hard to see something when doing so means you have to act in a way very detrimental to your life.
For a service like Twitter, where user numbers define value, using it is 100% supporting it. Again, the metaphor falls apart because suggesting they can't use other options suggests they might die, which is painfully untrue for the vast majority of Twitter users (literally no user in a developed country relies on Twitter for life/death information in a way other sources can't provide).
There are plenty who twitter is their livelihood. Apparently they just can't get the follower numbers on Mastadon (as well as struggle to use it). They are trapped. The magic invisible hand of the market is no substitute for regulation. You arguing consumer choice can solve this kind of problem and it clearly often can't.
That's just a rubbish oneliner to make people think they're smart. It's the first time I stumble upon it, but its up there with "Live Laugh Love", "never say never" and "you only live once"...
Nah, it's a really useful tool for identifying assholes and bigots.
I'd have a civilised discussion with everyone, especially irl, even if they'd killed my brother, and not reject them before a conversation just based on their beliefs or actions.. I may well reject them for not being able to discuss or argue, but dialogue is always the way to approach a dispute
I never do. It sounds like you regularly intentionally misinterpreted what people say, to either make fun, bully or boost your own ideas.
I do not approve of Nazis, but I think talking to them and discussing with them is the best we can do to convince them of what they're doing wrong.