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Free speech can’t flourish online — Social media is an outrage machine, not a forum for sharing ideas and getting at the truth::Social media is an outrage machine, not a forum for sharing ideas and getting at the truth

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[–] morrowind@lemmy.ml 77 points 10 months ago (6 children)

It's amazing how much casually nicer lemmy and the greater fediverse is. You still see some bad habits leaking over from the rest of the web, but then people actually apologizing! and asking others to be nice! And it actually works!

Well outside of some thorny political issues, but that's just human nature.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 47 points 10 months ago (1 children)

it's more like the old internet or like old reddit.

[–] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 10 months ago

As an old Reddit user, that’s why I came here. Just gotta get up the wherewithal to start/ recruit some of the niche subs I enjoyed most now.

[–] cosmic_slate@dmv.social 28 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

I mostly agree but with the caveat that it really depends on the topic and the community. Some communities handle (at least what seems like good faith!) disagreement far worse than others.

Even if it’s not yelling at each other, downvotes are quickly becoming a “I disagree” button and not a “this comment provides no value” button. Not limited to politics either.

[–] blanketswithsmallpox@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Upvotes and downvotes have always been agree and disagree buttons. Reddit trying to pretend they were ever anything else was folly.

Hell, even calling them upvote and downvotes is a misnomer if all you're trying to do is promote discussion. Even then, it's silly to think that most up or downvoted to oblivion comments aren't there for a reason. More often than not it just tells you what that community's and parent comments biases are lol.

[–] kambusha@feddit.ch 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, I've noticed any "capitalism vs communism" comment or post gets a TON of engagement, and it almost always goes down a negative slippery slope. I guess that's why a lot of people prefer to filter out politics related stuff.

That being said, even the worst arguments I've seen here are nothing like I've seen on other platforms, where you think it might spill into someone getting hurt in real life.

[–] dylanTheDeveloper@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

I'm useing liftoff and blocking sub lemmets still doesn't work

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

Don’t leave me hanging bud.

[–] JeffKerman1999@sopuli.xyz 17 points 10 months ago

Fewer people, more tightly connected communities... In old Reddit there was a point over which the sub was getting mainstream and then you would get gallowboob and other assorted jerks ruining everything

[–] nexusband@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

The downvote button is still abused as a "I don't agree with your opinion" button though...

[–] morrowind@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 months ago (3 children)

yeah I don't really know how we can improve on that

[–] oshitwaddup@lemmy.antemeridiem.xyz 4 points 10 months ago

I think lesswrong has an "agree/disagree" vote as well as a "this comment is/is not high quality and relevant button"

[–] nexusband@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

A "I don't agree with that" button?

[–] morrowind@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 months ago

What would it do? If it didn't do anything, people would just use the downvote button

[–] nyan@lemmy.cafe 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

"I don't agree" -> "the content of this comment is false, because it doesn't agree with what I believe to be true" -> "this comment provides no value, because its content is lies". There's no way you can prevent that chain of reasoning, especially since it's largely unconscious for most people.

[–] daltotron@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

I suppose it'd probably be pretty hard to sell people on lies being good, on the basis of lies being good ground for refutation of those lies, huh?

But then I dunno, I'd take like 30 comments of people all disagreeing with some premise in some similar way, compared to like, a 10 comment long reference getting 30 gorillion upvotes, because everyone has to be god's gift to comedy.

[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago

That's not been my experience. I keep getting baited by ml power users and then banned for daring to question their orthodoxy. It seems intentional.

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 3 points 10 months ago

That reminds me, I once made my first political post on reddit and that got downvoted to oblivion. I would like to see how that exact same post would perform here on Lemmy.