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[–] 11181514@lemm.ee 48 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Really sick of my taxes going to these dumb hick states. Texans want to be independent? Ok cool then cut off all federal funding for a year and let's see how that goes for them. Oh yeah how's that independent power grid working out? Oh it killed a bunch of people then you made no changes at all? Clearly the answer is to stop teaching about climate change. Fucking idiots.

[–] TheGalacticVoid@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

You act like the entire state wants the world to burn when it's just a subset that consistently votes. I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority of Texans don't want independence, and Texas isn't among the worst states in terms of reliance on the federal government.

[–] dion_starfire@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's more than just voter turnout. The deck is stacked. Like many red states, most of the blue voters in Texas are gerrymandered into a small handful of districts. See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas%27s_35th_congressional_district for an example.

[–] TheGalacticVoid@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Plus, ballots are being thrown out in Harris County + strict mail-in voting.

On the topic of gerrymandering, it's important to note that a chunk of blue states do it too. It sucks that most of the country can't get fair representation in their elections.

[–] Psychodelic@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

Can't gerrymander senate elections or elections for governor of the state.

Are these supposed blue Texans in the room with us right now?

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Florida here, and I'm sick of this horseshit. FFS, we voted Obama TWICE. We're very close to purple. Just because our Govenor is an ass, I gotta eat shit on the internet all day long.

[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This kind of feels like saying, "Not all cops are bad, some just turn a blind eye when the others behave badly...." like that isn't a big part of the problem.

[–] TheGalacticVoid@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, and leaving out nuance will lead to dumb blanket solutions like "defunding the police" instead of careful police, justice, and social reform. It isn't surprising to me that phrases like "ACAB" alienate families with people who've honorably served in our military/police force/other first-responder positions.

[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

First, mixing disparate groups like police and firefighters/paramedics and to a lesser degree military (who aren't first responder except by the greatest stretch of the imagination) is disingenuous because as a general rule people don't have a bad opinion of them. Even for the military, "Thank you for your service" has gotten to the point of cliche rather than sarcasm.

Second, police idly standing by or actively helping to cover up or protect bad actors from the consequences of their wrongdoings is a key part of the problem. The police unions don't do the shitty things they do because the majority of police voted against them. And after half a century of increasingly bad behavior (or better reporting on their bad behavior) it's no surprise that people move towards phrases like ACAB and "defund the police". They're just sick of their pets and young children getting shot for existing in the presence of police.

Now, if we want to talk about nuance, perhaps you shouldn't have made the incredibly general statement of "Well, it's not like the whole state agrees with this, just the ones who vote" and instead explained why it's so hard for people to vote, such as voting districts with fewer polling stations than the average, no statutory paid day off for voting, restricted operating hours for polling stations, and it being illegal to give water to people who are waiting in line (often for hours). That would be nuance.

[–] TheGalacticVoid@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

First, mixing disparate groups like police and firefighters/paramedics and to a lesser degree military (who aren't first responder except by the greatest stretch of the imagination) is disingenuous because as a general rule people don't have a bad opinion of them. Even for the military, "Thank you for your service" has gotten to the point of cliche rather than sarcasm.

This very much is true, but I'm viewing this issue from the lens that we will need support from the good apples within the bunch to root out corruption. I honestly don't know what the best solutions are for dealing with these issues are, but it seems unlikely that we can dismantle and reassemble every police department in this country, so it seems like decent change must come from within these police departments.

Second, police idly standing by or actively helping to cover up or protect bad actors from the consequences of their wrongdoings is a key part of the problem. The police unions don't do the shitty things they do because the majority of police voted against them. And after half a century of increasingly bad behavior (or better reporting on their bad behavior) it's no surprise that people move towards phrases like ACAB and "defund the police". They're just sick of their pets and young children getting shot for existing in the presence of police.

This is fair. However, I personally think that better messaging would get more cops to do the right thing and punish bad actors. Even if it doesn't influence cops, I think it would influence politicians more effectively since it will inherently be a less political issue.

Now, if we want to talk about nuance, perhaps you shouldn't have made the incredibly general statement of "Well, it's not like the whole state agrees with this, just the ones who vote" and instead explained why it's so hard for people to vote, such as voting districts with fewer polling stations than the average, no statutory paid day off for voting, restricted operating hours for polling stations, and it being illegal to give water to people who are waiting in line (often for hours). That would be nuance.

This is a fair point. I did end up doing so slightly when another person replied to my comment. However, I don't think the person I replied to cares about any nuance because their first instinct was to resort to hatred without asking questions. They also complain about how voters are doing nothing about our power situation when the article that is literally linked by OP mentions how we passed a measure that creates a new statewide energy fund.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Oh yeah how’s that independent power grid working out?

Ironically enough, its been a huge boon for renewable energy providers. ERCOT auction rates effectively subsidize green producers at fossil fuel prices, so when the gas cartels squeeze the price up to $5000 MwH, all the wind and solar providers (which can flood the grid with energy to the point that they risk operating at a loss) pick up a massive ahem windfall on those last few MwHs sold.

Because building these facilities is so cheap and running them is basically free, the Texas Gulf Coast and the Midland area have been filling up with enormous green energy facilities to capitalize on these fossil-fuel cartel induced price spikes.