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[–] TheDarksteel94@sopuli.xyz 31 points 11 months ago (4 children)

What if, and hear me out on this one, the problem isn't which "-ism" is prevalent. The real problem is that ANY form of power or society needs checks and balances. If those are missing or not enforced, then everything goes to shit. It's a balancing act, not just a matter of black or white.

[–] SloganLessons@kbin.social 13 points 11 months ago (2 children)
[–] pythonoob@programming.dev 2 points 11 months ago

Name checks out lol

[–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Sir please put your -ism away, you're scaring the children.

[–] Grayox@lemmy.ml 7 points 11 months ago (4 children)

The whole point of Communism is to balance power away from the 1% and back to the masses. The fact that it is an "-ism" and has decades of propaganda demonozing it, doesnt make that any less true.

[–] Kalkaline@leminal.space 21 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The important part is it's not an authoritarian running the show and calling it "communism" or " democracy" when the reality is it's just a plain old oligarchy with a new title applied.

[–] Grayox@lemmy.ml 8 points 11 months ago

100% couldn't agree more.

[–] MrSqueezles@lemm.ee -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This is why Xi Jinping lives in a giant gilded castle and any negative thing said anywhere about him is censored, just like every other citizen. Everyone's equal.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -3 points 11 months ago

Citation fucking needed, do you even know anyone from China?

[–] jeansibelius@lemmy.world -3 points 11 months ago

Just look at "balance power away from 1%" in China, Ruzzia or North Corea. Do you really like it? Or you just read books and not looking at real life examples?

[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social -5 points 11 months ago (6 children)

balance power away from the 1% and back to the masses

By installing a dictator...every time it's attempted...

[–] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

That is a problem of how revolution works, not a problem of communism.

Create a power vaccuum, and those who had the most power will STILL have the most influence. Even if you literally killed all the old power, you would be immediately creating an authority structure with the legal authority of capital punishment, which many, MANY communists wouldn't agree with.

The problem is horrible people exist, NOT the concept of communism. For every reason people shit on Communism, there are twenty valid reasons to shit on capitalism. Neither system works in the real world on its own. To pretend like capitalism is magical in comparison is literally failing to observe reality.

The rich and powerful constantly shit on political action because it IS effective. They do not enjoy going through the effort of retaining power through internal conflicts and ESPECIALLY not actual revolutions. Why would they EVER tell you the truth?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 10 points 11 months ago

Even the fucking CIA isn't dishonest enough to say such things

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP80-00810A006000360009-0.pdf

[–] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Maybe not do that next time and try doing it from the bottom up instead of top-down🏴.

Those have been tried, but they often tend to get liberated by the CIA. Or in some cases, the KGB / Red Army.

[–] rchive@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm certainly not advocating for toppling other countries' governments, but honestly the fact that so many countries end up not being able to withstand the attacks from outside is kind of a mark against them.

[–] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 months ago

Well, that's the problem with bottom-up government, isn't it? It is better in most ways, but the local empire will invade you at the first chance they get.

If I remember correctly, the fall of the Paris commune to a Franco-German alliance was what led the early Marxists to embrace a centralised system. Of course, that brings its own problems, as power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

[–] Cowbee@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago

Why did Napoleon take power after the French Revolution if Capitalism doesn't have dictators every time a revolution occurs?

[–] kugel7c@feddit.de 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago

Rojava is doing exactly as I suggested. Spreading the power out.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You should read capital volume one, it will explain how the problem actually is capitalism

[–] Jungle@linux.community -2 points 11 months ago

Actually, the problem is homelessness.

The solution is either housing (ethical) or genocide (unethical).

Provision of housing for the poor can be achieved by means of social housing programs. These can exist in both communist and capitalist societies. E.g. the Netherlands is capitalist, but there is almost no homelessness thanks to its social housing program. The few homeless that are present are choosing this way of life and are therefore not part of problem.

[–] MrSqueezles@lemm.ee -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Why is there so much communist propaganda on Lemmy? Could it be that reddit is actually good at filtering out state-sponsored content farms?

[–] Cowbee@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

Decentralization appeals to leftists, as that's the principle of the ideology, away from bourgeois interests.

I haven't seen evidence of state-sponsored propaganda, though there are people that simp far too hard for China and the CPC on Lemmy though.