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It just isn’t that simple. I’ve got four kids. At least one of them ended up watching a naked man on Omegle once. And I say this because they were in a group of friends and dared each other on, on a school trip, and they were discovered (one of them felt pretty shocked and told a teacher) and we had a big discussion with her.
Kids do dumb shit all the time. Omegle is (was) very much known about amongst them all.
So, even with careful parenting and a locked down internet, and policies not to have phones upstairs in your room, kids do dumb shit or find a new service that isn’t in your filter, because they’ve heard about it through their friends. I know because my wife and I carefully raise four kids and the internet is a fucking onslaught to a dopamine dependent, approval seeking teenager.
I’m not saying “it’s all Omegle’s fault”. Everyone had a role to play. But let’s not pretend Omegle was blameless.
You can parent your children all day long and everything is just fine at home. As soon as your kids are unleashed into the world of school, it's anything goes. Your child is immediately subjected to all the poor and awful parenting that is outside your control. The only thing you can do is give them skills to navigate those situations. Sounds like @sunbeam60@lemmy.one did just that. Bravo.
What a load of nonsense. My parents raised me right and I was disassociating from deviants from practically day one in school. Being subject to that awful parenting in other families only made me understand my own parents better.
It's almost like we should focus on educating them about how to responsibly use the Internet instead of trying to censor their access to it (which as you pointed out, basically never works).
Does anyone actually think shutting down one specific website will make a meaningful difference? Like... really? Did shutting down Napster stop piracy? Did shutting down Silk Road stop online drug sales?
Careful parenting? Everyone had a role to play?
A naked old man had to teach your kid something that you didn't. I never saw a naked old man online and my parents didn't limit internet at all.
I guess you were never invited to the lemonparty then.
I don't follow random links, that's like common sense.
Counterpoint, I clicked on many random links, and saw many things I probably "shouldn't have" as a kid/teen, still turned out alright I think.
Even on Omegle in particular, after like one day, you gotta expect the dicks and move on lol
I frequented 4chan at age 13-16 so saw pretty much everything one could see on the Internet.
I'm not going to argue it was good or bad, but it's not like it permanently fucked me up to the point of not being able to function as an adult later in life.
There's also the privacy vs protection argument here, if sites require verification that you're over 18 or w/e that then means you have to provide some sort of identification, what happens if that site is hacked? Or bad actors use that information to blackmail you in some fashion.
It's a hard situation and I don't know what the right answer truly is.
The right answer is to treat teenagers like beta testers for adulthood and let them have some autonomy when it comes to these things but only a pedophile would think like this or something.
Still, war games don't make killers, why would 4chan make antisocial loser? Just as an example. I think it's other way around, antisocial losers get exposed to 4chan the most.
This whole "x will fuck you up" thing never made sense to me. If truth makes things stop working then things never worked. It's normal to feel sick from watching a gore video, but there's something wrong with your life if it can "ruin" your life.
The way your parents raise you for first years of your life till you have something that can be called a personality basically defines everything you will do afterwards and blaming anything else just seems stupid to me.
110th comment in 8 hours.
My man is a machine. I hopped on board at about comment 60 after a pointless argument where he insists tolerant people are bad.
He might be the most prolific troll I've personally seen. I just want to see if he burns out
Keep us posted on things noone cares about.
If you didn't care, would you have responded to that? But do pretend that you don't. Gotta maintain that infallible facade after all
Time is money. And you sure spend a lot of it here
Or maybe I'm sitting in a mansion bored out of my mind. Guess you'll never know
Ooo woow, self important troll reads minds now. So edgy, he thinks I'm poor
Oh ho, I can't believe it's taken you this long to try the reversal and call me the troll! Someone is learning a little. I'm so proud of you.
You know, the funniest bit of all this is that the app I'm using puts a little baby face next to your name because your account is so young
I'm sure this is contributing a lot to Technology.
The contributing stopped when you tried to argue against tolerance on a post literally about the paradox of tolerance. That was about 60 comments ago, bro.
Playing dumb doesn't suit you. You're better than that
You don't answer mine either. We're past those kinds of rules, given that you made it abundantly clear that you don't abide a social contract.
You're a troll. Why engage any more than it's an advantage for me?
Different words, same stonewall. Not original. Try again
Oh Lord what happened here
Actually, for an honest answer, this guy's post history is incredible for an account that's just 9 hours old. He's a condescending loser with a lot to say when it makes him feel superior.
We had an argument earlier about tolerance and the social contract, and he made it very clear that he exists to spite tolerant people specifically.
And then I realized how hard he tries to win arguments (that he claims he's never argued!) and how quickly he deflects when he's losing them. So I decided to see how far it goes.
He's honestly quite fascinating. Might be the most prolific troll I've ever met.
Just agitating a troll. Don't mind me
Hot take, this guy had a great childhood so he expects every single parent to hover over their kids so that they don't see something they aren't supposed to. Oh, and if it's an accident that's still your failure as a parent.
Man, this is an awful take.
So true, I totally wrote that I expect parents to hover over their kids despite writing complete opposite.
Nice, defend yourself to me. I have no stake in this argument but you still feel compelled to prove yourself.
Fascinating.