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Yeah, because religion didn't spread through conquest. /s
You have a really fucked up image of humanity, do you know that? You do know that Hobbes was wrong with his Leviathan, right?
Explain to me this: if humanity isn't fucked up and what I suggest wouldn't happen, why is police bad? When people are so great and wonderful and nice and don't abuse their power, why do you dislike police?
You're proposing a false dichotomy: Humanity has the potential to be caring for each other or to be fucked up and only look out for themselves. It depends on what behavior is fostered in society to see if people in that society are (on average) "fucked up" or not .
I believe that fostering hierarchies of command and control teaches people to be fucked up. That being in a position of power over others fucks yowr brain up to think that you are above them and abuse that power. That is why I dislike hierarchies and by extension: the police.
That is why I believe we should build societies that should question and/or refuse these hierarchies, whenever they appear.
Hobbes believed that people are fucked up "deep down" and therefore, we need a hierarchical state to keep us in line. I think that he got it the wrong way round: That power corrupts us and makes us fucked up.
And I'm sure you know that feeling. That you had some teacher or boss in the past who treated you unfairly, because hey know they would get away with it, because they had a higher rank than you. It's quite a universal experience.
Well, I am so happy that police exists because I know I'd be fucked up without it. There is not a single society without police that doesn't oppress it's children and women. I know that a lot of people believe in a natural order and in that order I am below them. The only thing that is stopping them from enforcing their believes is that the country I live in decided that it is wrong to treat people that way and to enforce this believe they have laws and police.
I would rather not live in a world where I have to creep up my neighbour's butts in the hopes of them protecting me. I don't want to have to fit in to be free and I don't want to be scared of my neighbours all the time.
Anarchists just seem like a bunch of spoiled privileged people to me who's only concern is that someone doesn't allow them to consume drugs or whatever. I just wish they'd try living in a place without these structures in place for a while they privilege off but don't acknowledge.
That's simply not true. Counterexamples:
So, if a country can "decide" this, why can't a community "decide" it? We both know that there are bucket loads of precedents of countries oppressing minorities both in the past and now. So obviously, a state doesn't guarantee that people aren't oppressed. I'd even claim that most countries still oppress their children (to raise them as "productive" workers).
You have to do so today. If you don't notice that, that's because you fit in.
Ever heard of racism in the police? And you claim that I don't acknowledge my privileges.
Anarchists are acutely aware of the injustices that don't harm them directly. One rallying cry is "no one is free until we all are free" after all.
You used the same explanation I already disproved, you're objectively a troll.
Look at the timestamps, Sherlok. You didn't disprove shit.
"Objective/y", lol.
Edit: You kind of missed when you "disproved" me how these societies had police or supressed women/children.
Cute, you know and admitted your examples are dogshit but don't retract them and get they to sit on a high horse. Hilarious. You are why people don't tend to respect anyone who even vaguely mentions anarchism.
Sure, buddy.
So how do/did these societies oppress women and children?
Are you sure you want to battle 4 front with two people and 3 alts? You're not doing so well so far boss.
Lol, do you think I have but 3 alts? I wrote every single comment on this post!
Seriously: Do you still think that I use 3 different accounts just to argue with you? Cute.
Three including you, correct.
Indeed, trolls finna troll.
As I've said: I can't prove to you that's not the case.
The only thing I can tell you is that sadly: You're not really worth the effort to do that.
I'm sorry for you. :(
Good ahead, prove away.
Add fun the fact you've spent what two days arguing with me. Amusing and illogical or as I can it par for the course.
Don't be, my life is great and people like you are why.
You can't prove a negative, smartipants.
Yes you absolutely can and at times should smarty-pants.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modus_tollens
Ok, how can I prove to you that I don't use alt accounts for your stupid arguments? Furthermore: what would I gain from it? You're already ridiculing yourself by claiming it. No one else cares. Do you think I want the respect of a bully?
Ah good me there, I'm dyslexic and read can rather than can't.
I don't know what you would gain, I'm not even sure why you keep responding to me when at no point have you made an argument, you've just been combative and rude.
I'm bored at work and easy to distract (ADD).
I guess you won't be surprised to read that I'd say the same thing about you.
Neat, so use that bordem to make an actual argument instead of this childish bullshit.
Nope at all, I'm 100% combative towards unsolicited idiocy.
I never was that rude. Bye, paranoid bully.
I didn't say you were extremely rude, I said you were rude which you just admitted. Logic ain't your strong suit is it?
I know that I can get carried away sometimes. No shame in that and never claimed anything else.
You however just admitted that you are "extremely rude" yourself. So I guess you can imagine why people like to disengage with you (yes, it is because of your awesome 1337 haxx0r debating skills with your based galaxy brain /s)
Being a dick and refusing to actually make an argument isn't taking it too far, it's quite the opposite.
Ah neat projection, you want to disengage with me next you don't now not have you ever had an actual point aside from being douche. I never once claimed or implied I was a hacker nor would I need to be iirc lemmy logs ip and the kids themselves are open.
You've still not a made a point. How am I wrong, if you're correct it should be easy to prove it to be so.
Sorry I won't come on your livestream and debate you, Vaush. /s
Again that's not an argument, it is however supporting evidence that you have no point but to be an asshole.
Each of your examples I looked up and there is either not eboug information about them to make these judgements or there is vague information that refutes your claims.
For example:
CNT/FAI had and used prisons.
In anarchist Ukraine you had the so called Black Guards which acted similar to police and they had groups like Black Banner and general tried to overpower each other all the time.
In the region reigned by Zapatistas the Mexican Army and National Guard's handle crime with Zapatistas even claiming they don't do enough and should do more against the violent crime there.
Wendat have hierarchical structures with a Grand Chief and a Chief of each family.
I don't say they can't. I say they can't do it without some form of police who enforces the rules they decided on in some way.
What makes you believe a smaller group of people is less racist? I'd say it's the other way around.
I very much do not fit in. And everytime someone helped me in the past it was police or some other state infrastructure. Definitely not my neighbours who would probably just cast me out as a burden.