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Are there any communist or socialist societies existing today? (lemmygrad.ml)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by Velociraptor@lemmygrad.ml to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

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I've been speaking with other more informed communists and they've told me that none actually exist. Is this true?

China, Laos, and Vietnam: now notoriously capitalists. Workers work 12+ hours with no protection in horrible factory conditions. Suicide rates are so high that suicide nets are installed. The air is so polluted millions die from lung cancer, especially factory workers w/out basic masks. Corporations dominate

North Korea: Undemocratically ruled by the Kim dynasty. Jong un indulges lavishly at the expense of his citizens, ordering millions in fine wine and trips from Denis Rodman. They might be the most socialist though, as Juche seems to otherwise be democratic.

Cuba: Sanctions have taken a massive toll, but even taking that into account the country still has its own problems. They have massive food shortages and inventory probs and aren't self sufficient after 60+ years. Why couldn't they've use machinery imported from the Soviet Union to develop their agriculture and fishery? The Soviets supported them heavily. They seem to be incredibly mismanaged or corrupt

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[+] anarchost@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

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[–] oscardejarjayes@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

"A lot of what we do today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA" - then NED president Allen Weinstein
NED's President Carl Gershman said that the NED was created because "It would be terrible for democratic groups around the world to be seen as subsidized by the CIA."

It's literally a group that does CIA stuff, without using the CIA name.

[–] sovietknuckles@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You claim that the NED is CIA, but have you considered that the link above is not literally cia.gov? smuglord

[–] anarchost@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You just doubled down on using Holocaust denial logic. I wonder why.

But let me be more specific. You believe "The government did something bad once, therefore anything I can tie to the government was also done by the government." Nazis also hate the fact the US entered World War II.

[–] oscardejarjayes@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

It's more similar to not believing Goebbels radio broadcasts about the USSR. We don't distrust NED, the CIA, or the State Department just because they did something bad once, but because it is both a consistent pattern of spreading misinformation and because it is their stated purpose to rile up dissident groups in US opposed countries.