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Former President Barack Obama said a way forward for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is only possible if people acknowledge the “complexity” of the situation.

“If there’s any chance of us being able to act constructively to do something, it will require an admission of complexity and maintaining what on the surface may seem contradictory ideas that what Hamas did was horrific, and there’s no justification for it. And … that the occupation and what’s happening to Palestinians is unbearable,” Obama said in an interview on the podcast “Pod Save America.”

The former president’s comments come as the Israeli military focuses its offensive against Hamas in Gaza City and northern parts of the enclave.

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[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 38 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Reddit probably rotted my brain, but I'm struggling to determine how this is anything but "everyone sucks here." On this matter, I don't think anyone has been truly in the right in a century. Can anyone provide a convincing argument otherwise?

[–] roboticide@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Nah, you can go through the comments here and find people taking the easy, position here too. "Bombing kids is bad, so Israel is bad, so Palestine must be good, therefore I support Palestine." No nuance, no attempts to look at a more complex situation or consider anything other than the most basic information.

Both sides suck, both sides will happily commit war crimes, and civilians on both sides are getting hurt. One side is getting more hurt than the other, but that's just a difference in capability, not belief.

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

Palestinians and Israelis are overall fine, except when you have to listen to them talk about each other, it's their governments that are so fucked.

This entire conflict is a story of overstepping state entities victimizing innocent civilians on both sides of this war nobody but them and their cronies wanted.

[–] krakenx@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Here is a 2 minute video about being able to hold the idea that Hamas and Israel are both in the wrong and civilians are getting hurt on both sides as a result.

https://youtu.be/L0Zb9iUi0JM

[–] HotTakesColdUrine@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

It's not true that civilians are getting hurt in Gaza because of Hamas. They were already being killed off before the attacks.

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[–] rusticus@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

The victims. They are in the right. But they have no voice. Ironically though, as toxic as social media is, governments can't get by with the same shit that they did 50 years ago (Sauce: US in Central America).

[–] Thief_of_Crows@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago

Because the truth is that Israel is WAY worse than Palestine. They're openly calling for genocide. Resistance to oppression is good, actually, and so basically whatever Palestine does while still being oppressed is morally fine, while Israel continuing to oppress them is not. Anything anybody says criticizing palestine's reaction to oppression is whataboutism, because they're literally the victims of genocide.