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Former President Barack Obama said a way forward for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is only possible if people acknowledge the “complexity” of the situation.

“If there’s any chance of us being able to act constructively to do something, it will require an admission of complexity and maintaining what on the surface may seem contradictory ideas that what Hamas did was horrific, and there’s no justification for it. And … that the occupation and what’s happening to Palestinians is unbearable,” Obama said in an interview on the podcast “Pod Save America.”

The former president’s comments come as the Israeli military focuses its offensive against Hamas in Gaza City and northern parts of the enclave.

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[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nuance? What's that? Just say horrific fuckin things to the people who disagree with you! Much more fun that way!

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

A plea for nuance from the enablers and backers of the apartheid regime is not something I'm going to take on board.

I'm aware of the historical context and Israel has a right to exist and Jews to be safe. But I stand firmly with the Palestinians as the victims of generations of aggression.

[–] CoderKat@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

It's weird that Obama is being nuanced here, yet the US has been unwavering in supporting Israel, including during Obama's term. Maybe his stance has changed. Or maybe it's easy for him to say things when he doesn't have to act on it at all. Talk is cheap, after all.

[–] pleasemakesense@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The calls to nuance and complexity is insulting, like people can't see what's right infront of them and form an opinion of their own. What complexity is there in bombing hospitals, ambulances, schools and refugee camps, while denying food, water, and medical supplies to millions

[–] BreakDecks@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

I think the nuance is understanding the evils of the Israeli state without blaming Jews or endorsing violence against Israeli civilians. You aren't doing that here, but lots of people are doing this right now (the people "forming an opinion on their own" aren't always forming great opinions). Anyone suggesting that nuance is unnecessary is begging you to only see their side of things. There are zero issues in the world that don't require some degree of nuance; why you would think such a complex and long-standing conflict like this one is better without critical thinking is the real insult here.

[–] HotTakesColdUrine@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People have a right to be safe but no state has a right to exist, let alone a state defined by being a settler colonial project.

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Maybe I could agree with you, but they did face an injustice like no other. They have a right to a homeland but it should never have been Israel.

[–] HotTakesColdUrine@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

What the hell does 'right to a homeland' mean?

[–] satan@r.nf 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Where's the homeland to rest of the genocides around the world? let's bring in Uyghur population to Israel too, Rohingya Muslims? Ugandan genocide?

When are they going to get their own homeland?

oh oh but this one is so much more special because it ties in with your religious beliefs in the west, right?

the rest? they just can fucking just get wiped out for all you care.

lose the facade you ducking hypocrites.

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Man fuck off, that was a lot of shite you typed. I don't have religious beliefs for one and you can scroll through my history to see my strong support for Palestine.

Fuck you.