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[–] robocall@lemmy.world 247 points 1 year ago (6 children)

As an American, I'd like the US to end it's embargo on Cuba.

[–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 106 points 1 year ago (14 children)

Well the US isn't a democracy so our votes don't matter.

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 38 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Democracy index has it listed as a flawed democracy at 7.85. The cutoff for a hybrid regime is 6.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index

[–] Assman@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago

"land of the free"

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That which is pro-capitalist is utterly anti-democratic - so I wouldn't trust anything The Economist has to say about the subject.

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Please explain. Seems to me like democracy is people having a roughly equal say in what the government does. (If it's a representative democracy, then though electing officials who will do so)

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Please explain.

I have to explain this to you? Fine.

Do tell... how democratic is the place you work?

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago

I don't work in the government, so it isn't.

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[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 86 points 1 year ago (11 children)

People can freely travel to places like Saudi Arabia but somehow Cuba still on embargo

[–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The difference is that Saudi dissidents aren't a significant voting block in any US state.

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Still we've been attacked in multiple ways by the Saudis but not Cuba.

fuck the power of oil

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

but not Cuba.

Ahhh, but you see, Cuba is attacking the US with it's dangerous ideas - such as, for instance, the idea that you could not treat healthcare simply as a glorified scam to enrich billionaire parasites and nothing else.

That is far, far worse than people flying airplanes full of people into buildings full of people.

(/s - for the terminally bewildered)

[–] upandatom@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Uhh, we have an embargo on being attacked by Cuba though.

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[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can thank the orange baby for cancelling all progress made by Obama, I'm surprised Biden didn't start normalizing relations again...

[–] Waluigis_Talking_Buttplug@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Biden is a warm blanket of piss of a Democrat, don't expect too much from his administration

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I mean, by non-US Western standards the USA has never elected someone further left than center right so even Obama wasn't very progressive either...

[–] ansiz@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I would argue that Carter was, he was even pro solar energy back during his presidency. He got screwed by the whiplash from previous administrations economic policy and got all the blame, so that really framed his time in office. It's only recently that people have really started looking at his tenure differently.

Just to add https://theconversation.com/jimmy-carter-in-cuba-46109

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago

Yeah I guess he's the exception, too bad he was sandwiched between Ford and Reagan...

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 5 points 1 year ago

Tell that to a Republican voter and their heads would explode. "YOU'RE AN IGNORANT LIAR, ALL OF THE DEMOCRATS ARE COMMUNISTS!"

This is what they're told to think by the media they choose to consume. :/

[–] FireTower@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I agree, there's little to no benefit in making an enemy out of Cuba.

[–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There's a bunch of votes in Florida on the line. What I don't understand is why Democrats care, since they aren't getting most of them anyway.

[–] Zoboomafoo@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

That's only changed in the last few years, Florida was a swing state before that

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago

Capitalism versus socialism.

No benefit at all, but I doubt the U.S. will be discussing much with Cuba unless they agreed to get rid of the Chinese base that was built there. Id rather it be lifted but it'll be staying for awhile.

[–] febra@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, you see, the "good" part is that your opinion doesn't matter to the US government, if it makes you feel any better. Most Americans don't support many things, yet they still have to live with the decisions of a small elitist group that have hijacked power.

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And instead of banding together and doing something about those evil motherfuckers, you all meekly submit to other rotting flesh bags who have no more right to rule over you than a sack of potatoes does.

[–] greywolf0x1@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

They have no other choice, muh capitalism