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original title: 'An Insane Number of Gen Zers Support Hamas's Slaughter of Innocent Israelis'

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[–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 63 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

“Do you support Hamas?” Is an insanely biased question which should not have been chosen considering Hamas is not the only liberation organizations, Israel’s war is on the Palestinian people as a whole, not just Hamas, and most people probably support Palestine but have been agressively propagandized to hate those “terrorists.” Nonetheless, glad to see my generation is so based.

[–] bestagoner@hexbear.net 42 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This, exactly. Do I endorse Hamas' entire political program and orientation? I don't know Hamas intimately, or their current internal debates, or whatever, but it's still safe to say no. I'm a secularist, an egalitarian, a socialist, etc., etc. But I recognize— as do the People's Front for the Liberation of Palestine, for example— that Hamas currently plays a leading role in the armed resistance to the Israeli settler-colonial project in general and the occupation of Gaza in particular, as well as running all of the basic civil services (such as they exist) in Gaza.

[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My thoughts exactly! If ever there was a perfect case where critical support is called for, this is it. We support them specifically in their struggle to liberate Palestine and protect the people of Gaza. Beyond that it is no secret that we have a number of ideological and political disagreements with that group.

The trick that the Zionist propagandists in the western media are trying to pull is transparently clear: they are trying to equate the entire Palestinian liberation struggle with the ideology of one particular liberation group. And like everything they do, this too will backfire on them. All that that this does is legitimize said group's ideology, not discredit the Palestinian struggle. Because no sane and empathetic human being can help but side with the Palestinian cause.

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

ever there was a perfect case where critical support is called for, this is it.

I've spent the last two years critically supporting the Russian Federation, which is like the critical support version of training with ankle weights on. Hamas is a feather.

[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 1 year ago

Lol, a very good analogy.

[–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 1 year ago

Totally agree, I have practically no qualms with Hamas compared to other organizations I critically support. This does not, however, mean my support is uncritical for I have ruthless criticism for all that exists.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

That's what "critical support" is supposed to be for - I support Hamas in their struggle against Zionism, but have critiques that I'm keeping to myself for the moment because they're less important than defeating the Zionist entity. I'd be willing to discuss those critiques among other supporters, but when my comments are public facing and the enemy is watching they don't get to hear my hot takes.

[–] Beat_da_Rich@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If only those in other leftist tendencies understood this.

[–] sinovictorchan@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 year ago

It is interesting how many Western European emigrants do not understand the irony that their justification of the intentional killing of innocent people of color with the hope to kill terrorist suspects within a crowd of innocent people are the very form of terrorism are they are complaining about. I guess that media indoctrination with the hero myths did brainwash the Western European diaspora to support state terrorism against innocent civilians, but then condemn this same attacks by resistance fighters in their hypocrisy. There is also the authoritarian practice by the Western European diaspora to torture terrorist suspect until the suspect say what the torturers want them to say which contradicts their Liberal slogan of rule of law and democracy.