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Let's just assume that Israel isn't lying. They're telling us that taking out one Hamas official is worth nearly two hundred innocent lives in collateral damage. Best case scenario, they're still monsters.
Fair point.
What is the alternative?
There doesn't need to be an alternative to killing children, just don't.
But there are two options: kill the terrorist, or don't kill the terrorist. Your choice is to let terrorists win, if they bring enough kids.
That would be exactly my choice. One terrorist is not worth blowing up children over. Wait for a better opportunity that doesn't definitely have collateral damage. A terrorist does not "win" if he lives a bit longer. Nobody is "winning" anything in Gaza anyways right now.
Besides, blowing up children is a win for the terrorists.
Nah, that's just the a false dichotomy that's been used to manipulate public opinion.
This whole thing has to be address via Counter Insurgency methods, but that would mean actually listenning to the Palestinians, let them have enough that they don't want to lose it and not commit random acts of violence and land theft against them, so that the Insurgency Movement which is Hamas has little or no popular support at which point it becomes very easy to find and kill the terrorists.
However Israel has a far right government (I would even say Fascist), so it's all about Strength and thanks in a large extent to the support of the likes of the US (plus countries like France, the UK and Germany) they have the means and the "unwavering support" to be as violent as they feel like, hence their choice of purelly violent, no moral considerations (ultimatelly, genocidal), ways of "solving" the problem.
What they want is to "kill all Jews". We've already passed that.
They want to kill whoever is stealing their lands and killing their people, they just happened to be Zionists.
If Israel was of a different religion, or even atheists, the result would have been the same. People fight for their land and their freedom against occupiers regardless of the occupier's religion.
If you choose to kill a terrorist leader despite them having a bunch of civilians and children around, are you meaningfully different from them?
In this scenario, is that terrorist leader who is hiding among civilians from his country actively killing civilians from my country? If so, it sounds like you're suggesting the moral choice is to sacrifice my own people to save his, while they continue to wage war against my civilians. Bonkers.
Nope, never said anything close to that. There are myriad ways to kill a terrorist without sinking to their level.
Name one.
Just go shoot him. What's the matter? Can't do that without losing some soldiers? How many children is a soldier worth?
How many foreign citizens children is a soldier from your country worth? Let's not pretend any country sees all lives as equal. The US for example uses Dron strikes for strategic targets even tho they've harmed civilians countless times. They see avoiding American deaths as better than killing a couple civilians.
"What about the US" isn't a valid excuse. Just admit that you're down with genocide and stop trying to justify it.
I'm not justifying it. I'm stating you're phrasing is missing perspective.
Damn, killing kids can actually prevent terrorism. I guess all these school shooters are the real heros.
Lets put it this way, if the Hamas leaders were hidden in a Tel-Aviv hospital filled with Israelis, would the IDF bomb it?
Fuck yeah they would. israel killed at least 122 of their own civilians by just mass firing their tanks into kibbutzes to kill a few Hamas soldiers. They knew there were hostages and still fired at the buildings.
Unless Hamas is literally standing behind Netanyahu that man will kill anyone. He does not care about israeli civilians the same way Putin throws Russians into the meat grinder.
This is a genocide orchestrated by Netanyahu to stay in power. The exact same strat Putin is using in Ukraine.
You have a point. Just as I finished posting that comment I actually started wondering...
Not creating the conditions where extremist groups thrive.