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The only kid I've ever seen who looked like they were going to die like sickly pale I later found out was vegan, parents were anti vaxxers, believed essential oils can cure cancer, etc.
I've never seen anyone without an eating disorder who is an omnivore look deathly sick like that.
Unless you're eating a ton of nuts and beans I fail to see how you get enough protein for 2gm of protein per lb of body weight. The math simply doesn't add up.
Also I dont believe chickens cows or pigs have agency so morality isn't relevant to me. I do want them killed as quickly as possible, though.
I try to buy local meat whenever possible (1/4 cow etc)
Don't forget to eat your beans with that meat.
Just so you know, you don't need the m if you're talking about grams. The abbreviation is g, so 100g would be 100 grams. The metric prefixes can be used to scale your number, so 100g = 0.1kg = 100,000 mg.
I know, was just humoring OP.
I'm 206 pounds. Realistically I should be closer to 190. So for soybean to provide 380g of protein I'd need to eat a little more than a 1.05 kilos, 2.3 pounds of soybeans per day. That's an unrealistic number, especially after figuring in its endocrine disrupter issues and that the vast majority of soybeans on the market are grown with unsustainable herbicide practices. Plus eating the same thing every day is the fast track to being extremely unhealthy.
I'm not trying to argue one needs to eat meat but I am strongly suggesting that before you ever make a similar comment in the future you include way more than soybeans as an alternative. Lentils, peas, different types of beans, anything more than one. I'd probably not look at true nuts because those have their own issues with water usage. Peanuts are not true nuts. They offer 25.8g of protein per 100g. Comparable with beef but a 10th the water needed of almonds.
I avoid soy whenever I can because of the environmental and endocrine disrupter issues.
Avoids soy because of the environmental and endocrine issues, but eats beef which is worse for the environment and contains actual mammalian oestrogen
We got a dumbass carnist over here
Did you see the part where I said I'm not recommending meat?
@FauxPseudo @jarfil You don't need 2g/lb of lean bw, though. The premise is *wildly* incorrect.
How much beef do you have to eat a day to hit the same goal?
Irrelevant. Because I specifically said I'm not recommending meat but advised they include some alternatives other than soy. Reread what I wrote. I wasn't saying meat is the way. I was saying that soy by itself is not the way. Other vegan options exist.
Okay, so what do you think are the best foods to eat for a normal amount of protein?
Protein isn't one thing. If you just look at the amount of total protein your body will fall apart. There are 21 amino acids that get counted in the total amount of protein you see on nutritional labels. Consume all the protein you want and it won't matter if those 21 amino acids aren't accounted for. Now the body can make more than half of them but there are 9 it can't and you must eat.
Lentils are the one of the few vegan source of all 21 amino acids. A variety of beans and rice also offer a complete protein profile. Peas are decently high in protein but you will end up deficient in methionine and cysteine if you used it as your main protein source. That can be made up with quinoa and sunflower seeds. Which might sound odd but a cold quinoa, pea salad with sunflower seeds and a vinaigrette is very tasty. Quinoa is also a complete protein but trying to live off it is a thing for the wealthy. The trick is verity. I've met too many vegans living off French fries, meets the minimum for everything but leucine, and end up very unhealthy. Don't look for one or even a couple of super protein sources. Eat a variety. It's healthier and less likely to result in burnout.
Just eat easy vegan meat replacements and you're fine. Especially eating soy is an easy way to get protein in. It's not hard anymore.
@SkyeStarfall @Dkarma It never was, especially if you don't swallow that 2g/lb bullshit.
@Dkarma @BonesOfTheMoon You don't need 2gm/lb of bw, though. First, it would be per lb of *lean* bw. Second, it's actually more like *1* g/lb of lean bw, or 2.2 g/kg of lean bw **as an upper max**, like if you're a super body builder. For *regular* people, something much more like 1.5 g/kg of lean bw is totally sufficient.
Oh, and I eat a ton of legumes, so I can (and *do*) easily exceed that 2.2 g/kg threshold on my workout days.
Two grams of protein per pound of bodyweight is way overkill and there is zero evidence it helps anything. Even for people doing rigorous strength training, muscle gains cap out at 0.8-1g. If you're not in the gym lifting heavy six days a week you don't need more than 0.4.
Hi,
I am going to assume that something said on the internet actually happened and this was not said in bad-faith.
Perhaps you should consider whether that kid looked like they were going to die due to "parents were anti vaxxers, believed essential oils can cure cancer, etc." rather than "was vegan". Also, don't be quick to judge whether someone has an eating disorder or not, as it's sometimes hard to notice. For all you know the kid could also have an undiagnosed ED.
Vegans, at least in my case, can get a lot of their protein from tofu, hummus / chickpeas. Please refer to the Vegan Nutrition Wikipedia for more info about what to expect from eating plant-based food (i.e. the diet that vegans eat). There should be more information in the community sidebar regarding veganism should you be interested.
This, to me, is always an interesting take. Before becoming vegan I felt that there was an intrinsic hierarchy that meant we could exploit animals for commodities and I used one's agency as a measure of value to an animal life. I was then confronted with the idea of farming disabled humans with no agency and that made me realize that my belief was actually just speciesism. Obviously, there are other reasons to argue for/against veganism, and I don't think this is even one of the main talking points (e.g. like factory farming being compared to the holocaust).
You seem to acknowledge that they feel pain, or at least that their screams would not rest easy on you. If you haven't already seen it, there is an in depth documentary about the animal agriculture industry, Dominion. Perhaps you may be unaware of the full extent of the brutalist practices and the torture involved, there's an entire industry trying to make sure you don't find out so you keep buying their products.
And for this. I think this speech from Earthling Ed turned me vegan.