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[–] pingveno@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (35 children)

Of note, this line:

Putin used his speech not only to announce recognition of the separatist republics but to make a broader argument that Ukraine is not truly a separate country from Russia, that the West is responsible for this standoff, and that Ukraine will bear responsibility for any "future bloodletting."

For people who have dismissed accusations that Russia building an excuse for war, is this not at least ominous? This is the final sentence from the Kremlin's transcript:

That raises another question: why was it necessary to make such generous gifts, beyond the wildest dreams of the most zealous nationalists and, on top of all that, give the republics the right to secede from the unified state without any conditions?

Reading over his speech, it's hard to see him as viewing Ukraine with its own will. Instead, it is merely a breakaway nation that should be subject to Russia's will.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -3 points 2 years ago (12 children)

So, according to you, people of Donetsk and Luhansk don't have the right to self determination. Interesting position to take given that this is precisely what Minsk protocol states, which Ukraine is a signatory to.

[–] sketches@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No one has a right to secede illegally in a representative democracy. You don't just go out and declare, with the full support of a invading force occupying another part of your country, independence.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Go read the Minsk agreement that Ukraine is signatory to. The west overthrew the legitimate government in Ukraine that was democratically elected, and installed a fascist puppet regime. The fascists the west supports have been doing ethnic cleansing in eastern parts of Ukraine.

[–] roastpotatothief@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

ethnic cleansing in eastern parts of Ukraine

They did what?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

systematically murder ethnic Russian people in the region

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