I kind of subscribed to that line of thought before my deconversion. That if we believe in a god with unlimited power, he has the power to create a universe that's already 13 billion years old. But if God did that, then he'd be presenting a 6,000 year old universe as a 13 billion year old one. And doing so would make him a liar. But God doesn't tell lies? And a god capable of lying is not a god worth following. But a god that is incapable of lying is limited in his abilities. And a god limited in his capabilities is not worth following.

[–] candybrie@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Why is a god simply being capable of lying not worth following? If he's capable and chooses not to, isn't that a better god than one who can't lie?

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 10 months ago

Well this god installed thirteen billion years of red-shifted light from the furthest visible stars. Last Tuesday.

[–] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah but he did though. Multiple times.

[–] candybrie@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm not talking about a specific god, just the general concepts of gods.

[–] Surdon@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

It always annoys me how hard it is for me to make people understand this. I often debate the concept of spirituality and Gods in general, and people (in the US) always reply with some response like 'but catholic church bad.' Which, sure, I'm not disagreeing, but is such a narrow viewpoint and doesn't exactly have anything to do with the possibility of a God or Gods existing.

[–] spicytuna62@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

If God is to be regarded as an authority figure, punishes you for telling lies, and can himself lie, God is to be trusted no more than the police.

In fact, we should be challenging God like we do with the police.

Which kind of explains a lot about this country.

[–] candybrie@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Being able to lie doesn't make you a liar or untrustworthy. Lying does.

[–] Surdon@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Nah it wouldn't make him a liar- it isn't necessarily an attempt to fool humans, in my opinion any God capable of doing something like that did it for their own reasons, not as some cosmic prank

[–] Rambi@lemm.ee 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If God was real he would probably be a massive pervert, considering he's just watching us while we don't have clothes on all the time. Bit of a weirdo.

[–] Surdon@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

I mean according to some religions he was the one who told people to put some clothes on in the first place