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The guy is white. When do we start hearing something about “mental health care” that nobody will do anything about?
Well, at least the two of us aren’t okay with this. I’m not desensitized to it. And I never will be. I don’t accept this as “just the way it is now”.
Sure they will. The millions of children who went to school each day knowing they were the target of domestic terrorists and were not just sold out by Republicans and the gun lobby but spat on by the pro-gun crowd.
They'll abolish the second amendment, condemning it to the history books with all the other shitty things America did like the genocide of the native population and the enslavement of black people.
The highest percentage turnout of 18-29 year olds in the 2022 election cycle was in Michigan and only 36% of them voted with abortion rights on the ballot.
They're going to have to turn out in higher numbers across the states to do anything like what you're suggesting.
Kick any dog enough and it'll bite.
Whoa whoa whoa. We haven't even gotten to thoughts and prayers. Then comes mental health. Last is the "it's too soon to talk about this". Then the cycle starts anew.
yes please send me some of those please
To be fair, the guy did actually self checkin to a mental facility this summer for two weeks and was released. Additionally, Maine is a yellow flag state where firearms can be taken away via a mental health review.
One of many sources https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/northeast/ap-police-say-theres-an-active-shooter-in-lewiston-maine-and-they-are-investigating-multiple-scenes/
When I searched to see if Maine had red flag laws, all the top results were people opposed to them.
There's a good chance the shooter was one of them, since it looks like he is a "responsible gun owner" that's even more "responsible" than most.
Of course, the pro-gun crowd will seethe if you call him that, but the reality is that he had their full support when he bought a semi-automatic weapon. He still had it when he started hearing voices. He still had it when he started prowling the streets in open carry. Fuck, they probably would have given him the benefit of the doubt when he raised it to fire on an innocent person, as long as he was staunch Republican.
But the moment he pulled the trigger, it becomes "Oh that guy? Yeah he was never one of us. Doesn't count".
Then they'll claim its a mental health problem because he had mental health issues and the gun he used to maximise the number of people he killed and wounded had nothing to do with it.
Then they'll insist that they'll totally entertain the idea of gun control after a mental healthcare system is built that can cure every single man, woman and child in America of serious mental health problems, even the ones that don't want care, so completely they can be trusted with guns for the rest of their lives because they'll never falter and also fuck you we're not paying for it.
He had mental healthcare.
He also had a legally purchased AR-15.
It's almost like those programs don't work, and we just need a total prohibition on guns 🤷
Clearly the best course is something that failed before and only keeps the criminals armed. Brilliant
How does everyone forget to use the "people will just do it anyway" argument for every other law. When do we legalize all drugs because people just do them anyway
Why stop at drugs? If we're binning laws because people do them anyway, we can legalise rape, murder, DUI, even child slavery.
But maybe don't give them any ideas -- gun sales would sky-rocket and ultimately most pro-gun people are just simps to corporate interests.
https://elk.zone/mstdn.social/@Strandjunker/111301755969285547
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more simply: https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1819576527
No they didn't, because they weren't really a thing at the time...also columbine and VT happened with handguns during the AWB....it was sunset because it didn't do anything.
Are you refuting these stats and do you want to provide a source for that?
Also, saying that some gun violence happened so that means gun control doesn't work is nonsense. It's like "well some died in a car crash so seat belts and airbags don't work."
The facts on this one just aren't on your side. Looking at this either way - the US is a third world country when it comes to gun violence, and secondarily, countries with relatively little to no gun control have extreme rates of gun violence.
I dunno. Seems like most developed nations have figured it out. What's so special about the US?
How are the gun violence stats looking after 25 years of the pro-gun community insisting they have the solutions?
Should we plot them on a chart next to the profitability of the gun manufacturers?
Maybe your next solution could focus on tracking down that magic gun fairy that keeps giving guns to criminals, since they're definitely not being supplied and enabled by responsible gun owners like yourself.
You completely misunderstood my point and can see my other response for clarity. While I'm on your side in general and think we need far more control, you are doing the movement a disservice by trying the "how are the numbers?" argument when it's such a poor choice.
When you go look up your stats to prove me wrong, remember how the classifications work and that data can be spun. That way when you see gun violence overall is actually down and how single person handgun suicides and gang violence data is used to juice the numbers (both directions), you might understand there's far better arguments for gun control. Be an ally, not a hindrance.
Nope, don't push this trash. Every single gun death was a preventable death and not a single one should be swept under the rug.
Means reduction and survivability play a massive role in the suicide prevention.
Widespread legal firearms allow distressed people to end their lives in a split second impulse, robbing them of an opportunity to be helped.
Only 1 in 10 people who attempt suicide will go on to die by suicide, but the survival rate for attempts with guns is practically zero.
Teenagers are blowing their brains out with their guns of their "responsible gun owner" fathers who no doubt bragged about how he was going to "keep his family safe", then failed to secure it from a deeply distressed child.
You can also fuck off with the "gang violence" stuff, which is frequently code for "don't worry, they're only black people".
There is no magic gun fairy arming them. They either bought the gun at a store because the system is deeply flawed or they stole it from a "responsible gun owner" that failed to secure it.
But even writing it all off as "just criminals doing crime", it's still bullshit. Innocent people are killed, maimed and traumatised by both armed criminals and the trigger happy police who use them as an excuse.
And just how much gun violence are they responsible for? Roughly the same as domestic abusers who kill their partners. Want to hand wave them away too?
Those figures are include in the gun violence stats because they're a symptom of the gun problem.
If you want to be an "ally", the first step is to stop pushing the talking points of racists and lobby groups.
Not a single source or actual number posted after all that bluster. You tell me not to push trash and you keep pulling irrelevant numbers out of your ass. And that racism line? Holy shit, what a coward you are cherry picking and trying to paint me as a dog whistle user. I wish you could see how off the mark you are but that'll never happen.
Congratulations on being the first absolute dumbfuck of my Lemmy experience (I should have known by the username). It's a shame, because you mean well but why would I bother to engage further? Fuck off.
Your comments aren't exactly riddled with carefully sourced statistics -- you even tried to pre-empt people finding you factually wrong with claims of figures being manipulated.
But fortunately you don't seem to hold yourself to the same standard you hold others.
If you don't want your hot take sounding racist, don't repeat the talking points of racists verbatim. It's literally lifted from Bill O'Reilly.
No thanks, I have no interest in whatever context the rest of your life may offer. You wrote a comment that reads exactly like a sock puppet, fully aware that the people on this site know nothing about you beyond your username.
Probably so you could regurgitate more apologism about which people killed with guns are allowed in the "people killed with guns" statistics.
Just as important, cracking down on capitalists. Recovering the wealth they've stolen, and using it to help provide not just for health care. But housing and food security. So people don't have to live under the dread and constant stress to their mental state. That capitalists have engineered to facilitate their theft.
Do we really need to change our laws because some lone wolf who clearly had no political positions at all totally did not get weaponized by the media and churned through a system that literally hands guns to the mentally ill?