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Remember kids, Tankies wants to undermine democracy - same as facists.

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[–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 47 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The type of "communist" that supports authoritarian, usually state capitalist regimes like the USSR, China, and the DPRK.

The lack of meaningful worker enfranchisement in any of those regimes should tell you all you need to know, really - they're red-coded fascist lunatics.

[–] Smorty@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Soo is it still okay to support good communism which doesn't spy on the people and is cool?

[–] Maven@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Star Trek Socialism

End scarcity, deconstruct currency, and put me in space 😎

[–] jeremyparker@programming.dev 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] Maven@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Do you think there's such a thing as species dysphoria in the Star Trek universe? God knows we saw them trivially change the crew's race and back for every random survey mission, I'd love to try being a cute Andorian for a few weeks.

[–] jeremyparker@programming.dev 2 points 11 months ago

I would 100% spend at least one day a week as a cute young alien in a short skirt and a mod hairstyle (I didn't watch the show enough to know their species, but, like, one of the ones that look like humans with unusual foreheads). And the other 6 days as a cute young alien in Magnum PI shorts and a tshirt (but male this time).

[–] vonbaronhans@midwest.social 7 points 11 months ago

Yeah, go for it.

[–] HubertCumberdanes@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] Smorty@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Yes exactly. Is it acceptable to believe in a world where everyone can be happy and not have to worry about having enough money to afford a living? Would be super sick, but also quite the extremisticly positive imagination of the world.

[–] sirdorius@kbin.social 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Did peasants in the middle ages believe in a constitutional democracy? And yes, I'm aware we don't live in a perfect democracy, but it would still seem like utopia to people from a few centuries ago.

[–] Smorty@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 11 months ago

Fair point. We have come a far way, but humans always want more, so we want more utopia.

[–] jeremyparker@programming.dev 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

People who lived without all the convenience and comforts of our modern lives existed so everything's fine, no need to progress further. Pack it in folks, we're stopping progress here, it's not perfect but it's better than it ancestors had so our complaints are invalid.

[–] sirdorius@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago

Maybe it wasn't clear in my above comment, but I am not in favor of the status quo. My example was just to show how our current view is limited and we should very much strive for progress, since we don't know what is possible.

[–] Syndic@feddit.de 1 points 11 months ago

Sure, other people who lived a much harder life would think that our current times are fantastic. But of course our own perception is what counts when it comes to our own pursuit of happyness.

And of course, even today there are still millions of people who's life isn't that far removed from peasansts in the middle ages. Not to mention the still waste amount of difference in life quality and prosperity between different regions on this planet. Just because I'm happy enough to be born in one of the best places on this planet doesn't mean I can't realise, that many people have it much worse and that there is so much room for improvement if we overcome the greed of a few powerfull people.

[–] Sylvartas@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

What bothers me is that you get called a Tankie for simply acknowledging that this just isn't gonna happen without some violence nowadays.

[–] doidera@lemmy.eco.br 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

usually state capitalist regimes like the USSR, China, and the DPRK.

you have no idea what you are talking about. really.

[–] BigBlackCockroach@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I'm not trying to add water to an oil fire but Lenin himself categorized the USSR as state capitalist. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he and his people consider state capitalism to be a necessary step towards communism?

The state capitalism, which is one of the principal aspects of the New Economic Policy, is, under Soviet power, a form of capitalism that is deliberately permitted and restricted by the working class. Our state capitalism differs essentially from the state capitalism in countries that have bourgeois governments in that the state with us is represented not by the bourgeoisie, but by the proletariat, who has succeeded in winning the full confidence of the peasantry. Unfortunately, the introduction of state capitalism with us is not proceeding as quickly as we would like it. For example, so far we have not had a single important concession, and without foreign capital to help develop our economy, the latter’s quick rehabilitation is inconceivable.

  • Lenin
[–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago