Remember kids, Tankies wants to undermine democracy - same as facists.
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Leave it up to the Tankies to out themselves by defending north korea
Mods of large lemmy.ml subs are doing it in this very thread.
Well, do you think the Taean system is bad? Do you prefer the way your workplace is owned and managed?
A criticism I have of the DPRK is that they could do more to expand the Taean work system than they have done.
jfc you really found this in the sea of 400 comments.
the entire concept is corrupted from the jump. the government is comprised of people who violently repress any political dissent and the head of state was ordained from birth, completely immune to any consequences for his actions. the factory leaders are "democratically elected," huh? good thing political discussion and elections in nk are so fair and free! im sure talking shit and voting against the party-chosen candidate has no consequences whatsoever. and if you don't like who gets """"elected"""" you can tooootally leave the job. maybe you could even move to another country in order to talk about your experiences! odd that happens so rarely, nk must be such a nice place to live that no one but those with this weird delusion of the country being a hellhole wants to leave.
i know talking to you is pointless, i mean, the amount of blatant propaganda you have to swallow to believe for even a second that the taean system actually functions in a meaningful way is absolutely wild, but the idea that their real problem is that they just haven't "expanded" it far enough is laughable. yeah, no, actually, you're right! they just need to hold actual elections to replace their entire government!
They violently crush all dissent, but there are literally social democrats as a significant minority party? That's bullshit on its face. Also Kim Jung Un has less power than his father, who had less power than his father, and wouldn't even be in power if the guy before him (who wasn't in any way related to the Kims) tried to implement capitalist reforms and then tried to coup the government when he received pushback.
Pretty sure they do that regularly. You dont have to agree with it, but are you capable of restating the viewpoint of why a concensus process with a confirmation vote is democratic, according to MLs?
are you capable of feeling shame?
Are you capable of engaging with TB's points instead of falling back into insults to save face?
ive done this song and dance before. there's nothing to engage. they've already edited their comment multiple times to say almost entirely different things. calling that party a "significant minority" is insane lie. if i linked literally anything from anywhere you'd just call it western propaganda. im not putting the effort in for you morons.
you're literally claiming that north. korea. has a functioning democracy. get a grip.
Okay, well, if you feel like reading a book sometime, I highly recommend Patriots, Traitors, and Empires: The story of Korea's Struggle for Freedom, by political analyst Stephen Gowans (he's not a commie, no reason to be scared)(edit: he's a marxist), it goes into the history of the Korean peninsula, starting from the Japanese colonization in the early 1900s, through WW2, the division of the country into North/South, the Korean war, through to present day, answering why North Korea (DPRK) is where it's at today.
Here's an article that goes over the basics of it all, if you're not up for reading the whole book (but it's a very good book)
Well, I figured I have free rein to edit until you say something of substance in response
They're not wrong though, especially if you compare to SK which is a capitalist shithole where suicide is through the roof. People don't realize how much we know about NK is flat out lies told by people who need to tell them in order to survive across the border. It's not exactly what you would call a utopia but considering how much they're getting slammed by sanctions, they're doing pretty well for themselves.
You know they have a relatively open border with China right? They just don't let people leave into the southern almost dictatorship(their military is still subordinate to US pacific command)
Also if you had the US conducting the largest military exercise simulating an invasion on your border every year you'd want nuclear warheads too. Especially if they've previously killed 20 percent of Koreans total.
Except they don’t? Any North Koreans who cross the border to China get deported back to NK and punished with hard labor or death
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rfa.org/english/news/korea/repatriate-08292023143955.html/ampRFA
Btw the order to not have them outside of the DPRK comes from sanctions because of their nuclear program, not because the DPRK is forcing them back.
Because this would definitely happen with regular workers…
I literally linked radio free asia because theyre a known CIA media front, I'm unsurprised that they'd claim that, the point is that even anticommunists admit there are a lot of Koreans from the dprk in China for work.
Source?
https://www.rfa.org/english/news/korea/forced-relocation-07202022182032.html
https://www.businessinsider.com/what-happened-when-north-korean-defector-tried-to-escape-2018-6?amp
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/International/year-girl-fled-north-korea-faces-repatriation-arrest/story?id=62798702
https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/19/asia/north-korean-defector-interview-intl/index.html
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3kObDS-eXgA
Come on now these are NOT hard to find.
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