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That's a pretty self-centred take
Unionization leads to better working conditions and pay outside of their own membership in a "rising tides lift all boats" kind of way
A rising tide lifts all boats but Hollywood sucks and these strikes for equal pay want me to make the same money as them despite the fact I do more work.
I wish the auto unions the best through.
Then you need to be paid more. A union could accomplish that.
That wouldn't accomplish anything because if I make more for the hours I work all of a sudden there's a pay gap again.
A pay gap for who? What the hell are you even talking about
Did you read the thread? Did you read the title of the thread? Did you read any of the previous comments?
I assumed you had a different job that has had wages stagnant as well. Am I wrong?
My specific situation is not important beyond the fact that I'm a guy so I am statistically going to work more hours and to devote more of my life to work as well as choosing my career based on income rather than any sort of life satisfaction than the average woman.
I'm not familiar with these statistics?
But it still wouldn't matter because the compensation is still per hour, so you work more you make more. Women want the same compensation per hour, not more compensation for the same amount of work.
Your anger is exactly what women feel. Why do men get more for the same amount of work?
They don't. When you control for career choice and hours worked the pay gap disappears.
Sounds like you are upset about your own career choices. Just because something doesn't seem like work to you doesn't mean there is no value in it. The reason they get paid more than you is because their industry generates more revenue than your and/or its shared more equally.
Who's to say you don't do more work because you are inefficient? What value do you add, should be the question. Everyone can add value in some way. Plenty of people can take but these people who are striking are the actual creators in their industry adding all the value.
Wat? When was I complaining about people making more money than me?
Again. Wat?
We're talking about statistical averages across the whole economy here. Statistically, the women protesting against the pay gap are protesting so that they get paid "equally" for less work.
Unless you want to suggest that women are generally more efficient in their labor than men are, you're talking crazy here.
And if you do want to suggest that, you're still talking crazy.
Who said the women do less work than you? They do equal work and are asking for equal pay. Are you insinuating that you can do more work than a woman possibly could? Because that's just not true.
BLS data?
They don't.
Literally nothing I said implied that that. Plenty of individual women do as much or more work than the average guy. Statistically the average woman does less.