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[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ah, yes, this is the part where I get to feel embarrassed about my nationality because our politics sometimes completely lack any nuance whatsoever and it’s fucking stupid :(

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Don’t feel embarrassed. Nations are social constructs and just lines on a map.

[–] stellargmite@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Its not just embarrassment we should feel. Arbitrary constructs are still capable of creating massive unneccessary human tragedy, repeatedly.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Even nihilism teachs that no structures are permanent, not that none are important or have impact for a time

[–] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You could say that about a lot of things, but that doesnt make them any less real.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It makes them, not real. We allow nations. We could easily create a world without nations and borders. Dare to dream.

[–] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sure! Its just a point about semantics. Apples and planes and tables and chairs are all constructs, but theyre also very real. Just like nations, borders and ideas.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Material versus immaterial. A chair 🪑 is a material object. It’s physical. Nations and borders are ideas that have no physical material. If I walk to the border if my “nation” there is no material dashed line representing the border. There’s a river. Intro to philosophy should be taught in schools.

[–] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This isnt a discussion about the materiality of things. Its about whether or not theyre real.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you can’t understand me, we can’t communicate.

I guess not, but im willing to try to understand you, if you can explain to me what the issue is. I guess you believe materiality = reality? Thats fine, but you can't impose that belief on others. Or am I completely off-base here?