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If she had read the Bible, she'd know God gave people free will, so that made-up argument is out. Not that I believe any of that crap. Here's one example:
James 1:13-16
"Let no one say when he is tempted, 'I am being tempted by God,' for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempts no one. But each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire. Then desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin, and sin when it is fully grown brings forth death.
Do not be deceived, my beloved brothers."
A lot of Christians have a pretty vague understanding of the bible, or the religion as a whole, usually jusy what will let them justify whatever they need to be justified.
This should be expected, to be fair, since Christianity is a cultural inheritance. You're not expected to know much about it other than what your priest tells you, if the Christian even goes to church to begin with.
What's even the point of deciphering the Bible when you can make it say what ever it is you like. Why not just start with what you want to believe and patch together Bible verses that support it?
As an actual Christian that reads the Bible and goes to church, I wish more people who called themselves Christian actually followed what the Bible says. It's a big problem in the US
Some aren't just ignorant of the Bible... they're actively rejecting its teachings.
Yeah, if you don't read the Bible or go to church, it's almost impossible for you to actually be a Christian.
But for some reason what counts as a Christian is determined by what you choose to call yourself instead of what our holy text says.
Reading the bible is the leading cause of atheism.
Patently false. Most atheists have read the bible as much as most "Christians". Some of the most-common "causes" of atheism are: never was pushed/encouraged to believe, skeptic/scrutinizing personality, or being annoyed by what "Christians" say or do. All of these reasons and more for being an atheist are good and valid-- I'm just arguing against this bad-faith (no pun intended) crap that you are arguing, and that some other atheists say.
I feel like you misinterpreted the comment you are replying to.
What did you think the implication was?
That some people read the Bible and say “wtf is this nonsense?” and then question how anyone could base a religion on that.
Yeah, that's what I thought it was too. I'm just saying that "some people" aren't "most people who become atheists".
I'd agree that it's not a leading cause. To your list though I'd add that some people are pushed too hard to be believers, and reject it, or grew up in an area where people are just flat-out obsessed with religion and it ends up putting their hypocrisy in view.
Depending on your point of view, those could be partially or fully extensions of my list points; but yeah, there are plenty of good reasons to be an atheist. I myself am an ex-Christian agnostic theist. My churches were Baptist, and... yeah, none of that crap anymore. xD
That’s my main problem with the culture. If people want to believe random supernatural stories written long in the past and use that as a basis for their morality… uh, okay… I just don’t like how they rely on other people to do their reading and interpretation.
And yet: "And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil"
That has never sat well with me. It suggests that God leads the sinful into sin, and capriciously decides whether to deliver or condemn.
Maybe God interfered in her free will like he did with the Pharaoh?
Something something Nuremberg Trial something something ethical subordination