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Oh, do you talk a lot about their corruption scandals?
I know nothing about anything bad Ukraine has done, I don't follow the war as much as I used to. I just see a lot of downvotes on anything critical of Ukraine
Probably because all criticism seems to come from people with a clear and contemptible agenda, even when it's true, and it often isn't.
There's plenty of room for critical support but the critics mostly just seem to be cheering for the invasion. Probably because all the fair criticism revolves around the fact that war is hell.
I wouldn't say all criticism is from people with contemptible adgenda. That's a hyperbolic statement, it could be received like that by the reader but it's prejudiced for people who try to remain as fair as possible.
The war is a complete shitfest for all humans involved it's awful thing its endured all this time but unfortunately as a comfortable westerner, I think it's the right thing for ukraine right now to stand up for their rights.
My point is UK and US have done some unspeakable things but history is written by the winners and we're not taught about the atrocities our allies have done in previous wars. As a brit Dresden springs to mind and I wonder if Ukraine will have any similar controversies spring up after the war. We fucking killed 25,000 people with basically no justification.
With risk of sounding like a dick I'm going to ask you a question (sorry my directness can come across as being rude) Does my comment make me a person who has a "clear and contemptible adgenda" to you? I know I'll get downvoted by others but I'm more interested in your opinion
You need to be more specific. There are some valid criticism that can be pointed at Ukraine, but if the criticism is along the lines of "Nazi Ukraine" then that's just perpetuating Russian propaganda and should be downvoted. Most of the criticism of Ukraine I've seen falls squarely in the Russian propaganda camp.
While they're waging a war against the country that's known for its troll factories[0] and long traditions in information warfare, just downmodding all negativity against Ukraine is sort of a safe bet.
You might want to note that for things that matter, like corruption that blocks actual EU membership, the negativity still exists and is legit.
[0] https://www.amazon.com/Putins-Trolls-Frontlines-Russias-Information/dp/1632461293