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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 41 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

it should absolutely be regulated because currently in most places it isn’t, as evidenced by all the kids buying vapes.

They're regulated the same as cigarettes. Kids find ways to get cigarettes, alcohol, and drugs, too, despite how regulated they are.

[–] admiralteal@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's more to do with the fact that they're intentionally marketed towards kids in a way cigarettes and alcohol aren't so much anymore.

[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

People say that but I've never seen a vape ad for kids.
In what way are they marketed towards kids?

Bright colors doesn't count.

[–] admiralteal@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Very little is known about how e-cigarette marketing is being perceived by youth...

Very first sentence from the first link lol.

Of course PH wants young addicts. They always have.
I'm asking for advertisements aimed at kids because I have never seen any. None of those links show any ads. All they're saying is that vapes were advertised and people bought vapes.

[–] admiralteal@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

What even would meet your standards here? Only an ad that started "Hey, kids!"?

Juul was buying ads on Cartoon Network/Seventeen/Nickelodeon and youth education sites. They got sued for it. They then fired the ad firm that developed an adult-oriented campaign for them in favor of the vaporized campaign which I definitely see plainly targets teens -- and the courts agreed, since they paid over $400 mil in fines because of it.

Companies do what they can to maintain plausible deniability. But it's also an absolute fact that the fruit/candy-flavored vapes are vastly more popular among youths. The FDA has entire teams dedicated to "advising" producers on how not to market these things to kids based on expert advice.

Your position here is one where you default to giving the producers of harmful, addictive products the benefit of the doubt. When I see Puff Bar being ranked among the most popular vape brands for teens, my assumption is that there is actual malice leading to that position.

And to be clear, the youth vaping market did not exist until the era of Juul reinvented it through advertising. These were not particularly new products, just new ways of selling them. Smoking was solidly on the decline among teens. It was new sales strategies that reversed that trend.

[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

What even would meet your standards here?

An actual advertisement, for one.

That's all I'm asking for. An advertisement for vapes directed at kids. That's it. Just an example. Preferably two, but one is fine.

I'm not asking for essays about how it's possible kids are attracted to bright colors or how ads cause sales to increase. Especially when those essays admit front and center that no one actually knows the answer.

Just link to an ad. Goddamn lol

[–] admiralteal@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Where? I've yet to be shown an ad.