I'm not entirely sure what the best course of action is at this point, but trying to define one as purely the good guy and the other as purely the bad guy is a recipe for ineffective/immoral decisions.

[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I'm not saying they're not both bad but I find it hard to condemn the actions of the abused when they finally have a chance to attack their abuser.

It's like when a women kills the man that's beaten her for years. Why should she be punished for defending herself? The abuse won't stop unless you either successfully defend yourself or you die.

Yeah they shouldn't be killing civilians. That's never okay. But how many of those civilians supported Israel's formal actions against Palestine? How many Israelis supported the ongoing genocide of the Palestinian people?

It'd be like if the native Americans started a coup in the US. Most people don't actively think about native Americans but when they do they don't care about the fact they were basically genocided for the land we now call home. At what point can apathy be considered hostile?

If you watch a man get murdered and not only not do anything about it but actively try to hide it you're complicit.

Edit: I don't condone the acts. But I understand them.

[–] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

When a woman kills the man that's beaten her for years

More like a woman builds a pipe bomb and blows up the school the man that's beaten her for years sends his kids to.

Your fundamental mistake here is assuming that all Israelis are complicit. In the same way that just because a person is Palestinian, that doesn't make them Hamas, just because someone is Israeli doesn't make them Otzma Yehudit.

If you want to go down that road of insanely broad generalizations, you could just as easily say that Israel is correct to bomb civilians because "how many of those civilians support Hamas?". I hope you see how insane that statement is, and how it's the mirror image of what you said.

[–] Tnaeriv@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago

Hamas is not Palestine. They do not represent the Palestinian people. They're not the victims. They are a far-right, anti-semitic, corrupt religious dictatorship that's known for human rights abuses against their own people. Their leaders have been brigading for complete destruction of Israel and removal of all Jewish people from the region, either by deportation or straight up genocide. Most Muslim nations don't support the Hamas, the Palestine Liberation Organization does not support them, most Palestinians don't support them. Stop saying they are victims.