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[–] KrasMazov@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Quite a few people here on the comments are siding with the antinatalist narrative, but I don't think this is rational at all, in fact it's dangerous. Sure, you can individually opt to not bring more people into the world because you believe it would bring more suffering than happiness, but if this rhetoric spreads, the logical conclusion (heavily extrapolating without considering anything else) is the end of humanity which solves nothing, and while it prevents suffering, it also prevents happiness. If done and advocated in the pretext that we are ruining the planet, that certain people shouldn't be born, and other similar reasoning then this just reeks of ecofascism or plain fascism, and eugenics.

It's easy for us to buy into the narrative that we are all inherently bad and that we as humans are destroying the environment and the world, but this is not true, it's not me and you who are doing this, this is not a human trait, it's a consequence of the system we live in that incentivizes profit above all else. Why do you think awareness, support and accommodations for us needs to be fought over? Because it's expensive and doesn't guarantee profit, and the same can be said about the environment and the way corporations are literally burning the planet. Profit and accumulation of capital above all else, that is the rule.

There's only one way out of this nightmare that will give us the tools to revert the damage and actually build a society and world that will accept us, accommodate to us, liberate people and save the planet, and it's through organizing, studying and fighting.

[–] stolid_agnostic@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We are in absolutely no danger of ever going extinct. You can never get enough people to use contraceptives or practice abstinence. You can't even get people to wear masks!

[–] KrasMazov@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 1 year ago

I agree, I was exaggerating for the argument because I think antinatalism as a whole is dangerous, not for the made up scenario of humanity going extinct, but for the eugenics/fascism side.

[–] KillAllPoorPeople@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is such an incredible leap in logic.

You can say that having kids is selfish, which it objectively is (no matter if they're perfectly healthy/wealthy/on top of society or not), but also want to "build a society and world that will accept us, accommodate to us, liberate people and save the planet."

Focusing on just kids with disabilities and not every kid is fucked though, with a lot of these people in these spaces.

[–] KrasMazov@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Why is it a leap in logic? And why having kids is objectively selfish? Genuinely asking.

[–] 1847953620@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] KrasMazov@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago

How? It's the part about taking it to it's logic conclusion, which I said was an exageration?