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[–] ramble81@lemm.ee 33 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Conspiracy theory time…. Russia asked Iran (who is already helping them against Ukraine) to help Hamas trigger a fight with Israel knowing it would pull the attention of the US away from its war with Ukraine.

[–] ShadowRam@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Conspiracy? It's extremely likey.

And unfortunately for Ukraine it will most likely work.

Russia has a huge gain as a result of this Hamas attack,

Right when the us house is paralyzed to make decisions too,

Timing is crazy perfect,

So perfect I'd be questioning if Gaetz had an voice in his ear to trigger the the US house fiasco

[–] Dorgel@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

I'm sure Matt Gaetz still thinks he has independent thoughts

[–] AliasAKA@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think Russia probably encouraged this, but I think it’s another miscalculation. America is set up at this point to fight proxy wars. Now all that happens is Israel weapons gets added as a line item alongside Ukraine on a defense budget bill that’s now easier to pass. So they may have been involved or just encouraged, but I think it’s gonna backfire.

[–] ShadowRam@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not physical interactions of the US helping Israel. Israel is already armed to the teeth and have everything they need.

It's the political distraction. US Politicians, Media, will all be focusing on Israel for the next who knows how long, and Ukraine will be a side story.

[–] AliasAKA@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Certainly a possibility, but I almost think US quietly supporting Ukraine will make it easier, since it won’t be in the far right zeitgeist as much. Ukraine needs financial and military support. Passing bills individually for Ukraine is getting harder. Tacking another line item on to a “Support Israel” bill that provides military and financial assistance to Ukraine may be easier than new bills aimed at just supporting Ukraine would be.

Edit: to be clear, I’m hoping Ukraine gets more support from this, as my personal view is strongly in support of Ukraine. I don’t know that this will pan out that way, but I see a potential angle for it if democrats have the savvy to do it.

[–] AFaithfulNihilist@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

That seems like a really bad idea considering that the intransigence in the house was doing a pretty good job of blocking aid to Ukraine as is. Doing anything to fuck with Israel seems like It would be obviously encouraging the parties to come to some kind of consensus so they can pass an aid bill to Israel.

If this is a sneaky Russian plot, then they're even worse at any of this warfare stuff than everyone already suspected.

[–] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

knowing it would pull the attention of the US away from its war with Ukraine.

Nah, the US isn't directly involved in Ukraine and it won't be directly involved in Israel either so it doesn't diminish our attention or our capability. The US Military is currently setup to handle our direct participation in multiple regional conflicts simultaneously so a couple of proxy wars isn't taxing in any meaningful way.

Frankly all this will likely do is force a pile of squabbling US politicians to get their shit together and focus. Oh, and if they can prove that Russia was involved in an attack on Israel, even tangentially, then the US is probably going to hand Ukraine the Hammer of Thor and tell 'em to go nuts.

[–] ShadowRam@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Nah, the US isn’t directly involved in Ukraine

What? Where do you draw the line as 'directly involved' .. does a American Solider need to literally pull a trigger?

Of course the US is directly involved in Ukraine. They are doing everything in Ukraine expect for the literally pulling a trigger

[–] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Where do you draw the line as ‘directly involved’ …

When Uncle Sam is setting up McDonald's for its own soldiers to eat while US Military Logistics is busy in the background handling 50+ direct shipments of men and materials a day into their operating base.

They are doing everything in Ukraine expect for the literally pulling a trigger

BWUA HA HA HA!!! What we're doing right now isn't even 3% of what we did in the Gulf. I should post that damn Shaggy "1% of my power" meme because it's vastly closer to the truth than what you seem to believe.

If the US was directly involved we'd have Air Superiority in Ukraine in less than a week and within 30 days both East and South Ukraine would look like the surface of the moon. Russian ground forces would literally be fighting in the shade of skies filled with F-35s, F-16s, Apaches, and Tomahawks. B-2s would be running non-stop missions from the States and the US Navy would be blasting the holy hell out of anything that twitched.

THAT is what it looks like when the US gets directly involved. All we're doing right now is playing patty-cake. We have oodles of military and diplomatic capacity to spare for Israel. It's not even a question and if you think its any different, well, I suggest you rewatch some footage from GWOT and Gulf War I.