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A pro-Palestinian rally Sunday in Times Square endorsed by the city chapter of the Democratic Socialists of America ensnared prominent party members amid widespread condemnation of the event.

Gov. Kathy Hochul and other leading Democrats blasted the rally as “abhorrent and morally repugnant” and drew a dividing line with far-left members of the party — including New York Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Jamaal Bowman, who denounced the attacks and called for a ceasefire but didn’t take a stand on the rally.

“I condemn Hamas’ attack in the strongest possible terms,” Ocasio-Cortez said in a statement. “No child and family should ever endure this kind of violence and fear, and this violence will not solve the ongoing oppression and occupation in the region. An immediate ceasefire and de-escalation is urgently needed to save lives.”

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[–] Reptorian@lemmy.zip 40 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

This. I'm against Hamas, and I'm also against the current government of Israel. I'm at a point of only caring for civilians of Israel and Palestine after reading up on the history of the conflict. Any one else? They're part of the problem.

[–] flossdaily@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Israel's right-wing government is becoming anti-democratic, and their position on settlements is antagonistic.

But Hamas is pro-genocide, happily murders Jewish children, and use their own children as meat shields.

It bothers me that people equate these two.

They aren't the same.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The israeli government also has killed a shit ton of people. There's two villains here and one huge and persistent, the other is resourceful and brutal. They aren't the same but the media is insistent on portraying Hamas as the sole villain here and people are rightful to push back on that narrative.

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

In fairness, the other doesn't have to be resourceful and brutal. They already have it all. They live in wealth, have the vast majority of land, and just shove these people into tighter cages then wonder why they get more violent.

[–] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago

It's kind of incredible how both Hamas and Likud have escalated and antagonized so much that the PLO now look like the adults in the room by comparison.

[–] PilferJynx@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

Palestinians are desperate and brutally oppressed. Isreal literally wants to genocide them. This situation gives them the excuse they've always wanted. They should take it. Wipe them all out quick instead of the slow concentration of the Gaza strip. I understand that this opinion is brutal, but there's no hope in hell for the Palestinians. The world just doesn't care enough about the poor and marginalized.

[–] Reptorian@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 year ago

Sure, we can accept that they're not the same. At the same time, no one should support either of them.

[–] ComradeKhoumrag@infosec.pub 0 points 1 year ago

It makes zero sense to compare the violence of the occupied with the violence of the occupiers. How many Israelis settled in Palestine because they moved from cities like New York? Do they really have equal share in the conflict when they moved from a place like America to steal land from an olive farmer whose family has been there for thousands of years.

Many people didn't choose to be born in both regions, and many civilians who don't hold those shitty ideals are dead that don't deserve to be. But if there never will be peace, and one group should go to establish peace. It certainly should be the occupiers