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Workers in California will soon receive a minimum of five days of paid sick leave annually, instead of three, under a new law Gov. Gavin Newsom signed Wednesday.

The law, which takes effect in January, also increases the amount of sick leave workers can carry over into the following year. Newsom said it demonstrates that prioritizing the health and well-being of workers “is of the utmost importance for California’s future.”

“Too many folks are still having to choose between skipping a day’s pay and taking care of themselves or their family members when they get sick,” Newsom said in a statement announcing his action.

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[–] Serdan@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (5 children)

What happens if you are sick more than that?

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Unpaid time off if you're lucky.

Fired if you're not.

[–] Serdan@lemm.ee 20 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Uhh... how is there not a guillotine in front of every state capitol building?

I burned out and have been sick for half a year. I've begun working a bit again (aiming for 9 hours / week).

Full pay throughout.

Do Americans not realize just how badly they're getting shafted?

[–] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Too many boomers think it's a necessary evil, because they used to be able buy a house with minimum wage.

"If I had to do it, so should you..."

[–] Serdan@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I get that they screwed over every subsequent generation, but they're all 60+ at this point. You can just beat them up. What are they gonna do? Be old at you?

More seriously, enough people are impacted by this that if you organized you could have activists hounding the elected representatives every hour of every day. E.g. drown them in lobby visit requests. Also just show up and knock on doors. Be disruptive. Your state is trying to squeeze every last drop of blood out of you. It's not acceptable.

[–] Drusas@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Serdan@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I can't tell if you're being genuine or sarcastic

[–] Drusas@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Serdan@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago
  1. No one ever got civil rights just by voting.
  2. If you want people to be engaged you need to get them to do stuff that feels meaningful, and voting evidently doesn't.
[–] smellythief@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Americans can't even be bothered to vote. You think they'll build a guillotine? 🤣

[–] Serdan@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The US political system is a Kafkaesque nightmare of despair and loathing. I'm not sure I'd vote either. That's why I'm advocating direct action. Any politician who votes for people to be miserable and die, should not be allowed a moment of peace.

[–] jasory@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, because there is way more to life than just emergency medical leave.

For most people they're not going to be using that leave, they'd much rather have the money instead of it being taxed from them. Additionally it is much easier to get a job in the US and it generally pays better.

I don't know what country you live in, but ones that have extensive labor protections often have very high youth unemployment (people with little experience can't get hired), because businesses are unwilling to take risks on potentially bad employees if they can't terminate them or have to pay out a lot of money to do so.

It's popular to demonise America, but there are also a lot of problems the US doesn't have.

[–] Serdan@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I live in Denmark.

Overall unemployment is at about 2.6%

Youth unemployment is about 7-8%, which is lower than, or about on level with, USA from the numbers I can find.

There's also way more to life than work.
We're entitled to 5 weeks paid vacation, 3 of which must be consecutive if requested. Most people have an additional week from union contracts. Parents have a collective 48 weeks paid maternity leave.

Don't have to worry about homelessness. Don't have to worry about healthcare costs.

You're getting a raw deal, even if you don't realize it.

[–] jasory@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Literally proving my point, Denmark had all these problems and then they privatised it, and created incentives for employment.

"Don't have to worry about homelessness"

Neither do Americans. The vast majority of Americans will never be homeless, the vast majority of people who complain about it are rich kids on social media trying to get sympathy.

"There's also way more to life than work"- The biggest factor in quality of life (in a wealthy country) is your job ( or less commonly your parents money). Also if you make more (and pay less in taxes), all those benefits can be provided from your savings. And your savings account is far more flexible than earmarked money from the government.

There is a reason why people want to work and live in America and not .... Denmark. The ease to make money and the flexibility to spend it to maximise your quality of life is far greater than most countries.

[–] havokdj@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think you realize just how close to homelessness a majority of the people in the US are. Most people here live paycheck to paycheck, not able to save any wealth whatsoever.

[–] jasory@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

Nope, not "not able to". They just want there nice cars and homes. You can easily save money in the US, it's all just rich kids who want to live the same lifestyle there parents raised them in after they (the parents) worked for 20 years.

I personally know many homeless people and have been homeless myself. We are in the far minority, even most poor communities aren't in danger of being homeless. Homeless people tend to be drug addicts or violent people that others don't want to help (for obvious reasons).

[–] Serdan@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There is a reason why people want to work and live in America and not .... Denmark.

Fucking Americans, man. 😂

[–] jasory@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well you keep making all these claims about how America is a hell scape, when it's actually a more desirable country than the one you are promoting.

[–] Serdan@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

More desirable to psychopath billionaires maybe 😆

[–] MeanEYE@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Even though am not an USA citizen I can easily see how this situation can happen anywhere. Unless you have knee jerk reaction, a la France, to any law change and end up with protests on the street with cars burning and fighting with cops all of this can creep up slowly. Slight reductions over long periods of time and people will just ignore it.

[–] the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do Americans not realize just how badly they’re getting shafted?

Most of us really don't

[–] Misconduct@startrek.website 2 points 1 year ago

Plenty of us do and we're all still doing basically nothing about it despite being aware 🙃

[–] Serdan@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just to really drive the point home:

About half my salary is covered by the state. The rest is insurance.

That's about $2800 I'm legally entitled to. If we assume 35% tax that gets me ~$1820 every month for 6 months while being sick that I'm guaranteed. Rent is ~700, so I'd have about $1000 for food and necessities.

[–] RosalieMorgan@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not sure you could get a closet to sleep in for $700 in California at this point

[–] Serdan@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's social housing in the capital city. 60m2

Tenant democracy. No rent hikes unless it's necessary or we want to take a loan out for renovations and such.

[–] RosalieMorgan@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Sadly in the US many of the companies that control large amounts of housing are all using the same software to calculate how to all raise prices as much as possible every year without having people move out. Around 2010 I moved from a studio with a shared kitchen that was $650 to a one bedroom for $900. Those studios (20m2) now start at $1,000, and the one bedrooms (50m2) start at $2,240.

[–] toxicbubble@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

you get fired & end up among the millions of homeless Americans, along with hospital bills. such is life in capitalist America

[–] BlinkerFluid@lemmy.one 4 points 1 year ago

Go to work anyway.

[–] isthingoneventhis@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Example:

Frito Lay originally gave us 7 days sick + 7 days as mandated. Something changed (legalese, idk), this dropped to 7 days total for the calendar year which was the CA days + company days (they were being generous). Which, when played out, ended up with people getting strikes against them after the CA mandated days were used up, as it was seen as repetitive behavior. If they really didn't like you, good fucking luck. They would basically use it as an easy way to get people fired over repeat "offenses".

This was a while ago, so my memory might be a bit fuzzy, but it was overall, a huge fucking joke.

[–] Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

For me, personal time comes next then PTO. Personal time is meant for a variety of things but we get 16 hours a year and can be taken in one hour increments. PTO is basically just vacation time and is taken in half day increments.