The instance seems to be mostly right wing trolls. I know defederating is unpopular but I don't think much is to be lost in this case and it can save the mods some headaches.
Edit: the response on exploding-heads.com to my reporting of transphobia. Courtesy of the "second in command"
Being openly bigoted isn’t a “political leaning” though, and it’s against lemmy.world’s code of conduct as stated on the sidebar link: https://mastodon.world/about
No one is saying let’s ban conservatives. This discussion is about defederating an instance that seems to be crawling with alt-right trolls. I don’t understand why that would be a problem.
Like I'd hope that we wouldn't follow in Reddit's footsteps of tolerating alt-right bigotry
Defederating isn't like being fucking censored or whatever; it's people deciding that they don't want to be around you
Basically near-every instance did this for Lemmygrad with zero complaint, so it's fucking weird that there are so many people complaining now when it comes to an instance teeming with alt-right bigotry
Reddit didn't tolerate alt-right bigotry. What are you on about?
And yes, defederating is censorship. I had a burggit account because I liked the name, but then once they got defederated from everything, I needed to make a new account. That's censorship.
Lemmygrad, Exploding-Head and Beehaw are all safe-spaces and echo-chambers. They won't wander outside their zone, which they haven't. Find it hilarious you're so huffy about the alt-right, but silent about multiple mods enabling pro-communist content.
Yes it did, until media brought attention to it, then they banned The Donald and Metacanada and these users just joined other subs where they spewed their poison with the admin's blessing in the cases where mods from subs that got banned were also modding other subs that didn't (metacanada mods also modding Canada).
And all of the tankie subreddits were never touched despite having the same content.
The whole reason lemmygrad.ml (and hexbear) got big is literally because their subreddits got banned
Really? What subs?
Almost like tankie subreddits weren’t gaming the Reddit vote system to push literal propaganda to the front page for years or something
Propaganda is the front page, my dude. Won't deny T_D was shitty, fuck em, they deserved the ban-hammer for having an echo-chamber.
I mean, yeah, but my point is more that they were uniquely shitty for actively fostering the echo chamber and regularly intentionally breaking containment onto All.
I distinctly remember in 2016 how many pro-trump posts would pop onto the top of All with thousands of T_D upvotes, because the mods would pin posts they’d want to rally behind to the top of the subreddit. It really wasn’t largely the same content.
And all the alt accounts, bots and upvote scripts.
Anyways, modern frontpage has a ton of disguised ads anyhow.
At least they have the courtesy of being disguised. Lol maybe you remember how on the nose the trump-stump posting was.
“LOCK HER UP” (6,765 upvotes)
Thought it was satire for the longest time.
Whataboutism, try again in a discussion about tankies.
Whataboutism is perfectly valid.
Get your American politics out of your head when talking about global issues. Just makes you look ignorant.
Not American, just pointing out that you needed to change the subject in order to come up with an argument.
That's why I said American Politics. And this isn't really an argument.
Do not mistake inconvenience for oppression.
That is NOT censorship. Everyone on that instance still has every opportunity to say whatever they'd like. Don't cry over the fact that it's not reaching as many people as you want it to.
Obligatory XKCD about this topic.
So you're pro echo-chamber? You also completely disregarded my point about having to make a new account.
No, needing to make a new account is not censorship, get over yourself.
How is having to make a new account in an entirely separate instance not censorship?
…Because how is it censorship?
You can literally access all content available on every instance from any account.
Making an account is free and takes two minutes, I literally just did it.
You can comment on any content you’re federated with from any account.
You aren’t being suppressed from speaking at all.
No, you can't. If an instance has one blocked, you can see it if you deliberately look for it by typing its URL or looking in Blocked Instances. But it won't appear naturally in your feed, nor will you be able to see its users or interact with it.
That means it stops you from interacting with those blocked instances, even if you liked the content from said instances. See the problem now?
Well, no? Because you can still make a new instance to engage with that content? And because you can still see it if you deliberately look for it? Like I literally said?
But you can't interact with it. You have to make a new account in an entirely separate instance to do that. Why do I need to make a new account to access other instances because some mod decided they don't like the content.
Right now making new accounts is easy, yeah, but if the fediverse gets large, it'll become impossibly difficult to make new accounts if your name is common.
No offense but I don’t especially care that you don’t like how it works, because my point is just that it’s not censorship. Demonstrably you don’t need to make a new account to access other instances, you can still see and engage with those instances by deliberately interacting with them.
Why would you federate yourself in an instance that you disagree with the moderation on??
Lol as the fediverse gets large this problem will shrink, not grow, because more groups with different moderators and different moderation styles but the same communities will crop up.
bruh that's not how it works.
When an instance is blocked, YOU CANNOT ENGAGE WITH IT. You can view it if you know how to find it, but you can't access it, you can't comment on it, you can't have others from that instance contact you, you can't do anything in that blocked instance.
like fuck, earlier you talked about how easy it is for you to make an account. So go ahead and make a burggit account, and then try to post on a blocked instance. You'll find your post is invisible to everyone.
If you can view it, you can access it, dude. And the point is that you’re eminently free to participate in other instances that don’t restrict you, and that there are people using the site who aren’t you who might want posting restricted from some communities.
you can't fucking access it, omg. Go ahead, right now, make a burggit account and try to make a post on lemmy.world
Then, when that inevitably fails, I hope you apologise for your mistake. ___
Dude… “post” and “access” aren’t the same word, and you’re getting unnecessarily energetic about this just because I disagree you’re being CENSORED
Are you seriously arguing on semantics?
The core of the issue is the definition of fucking censorship!
Well, I've made my point. It's on you to disprove it, which, as you put it previously, "is easy". Make a burggit account, make a lemmy.world post, see how that works out for you.
See, my whole argument is that I had a beehaw account, but then beehaw blocked sh.it and lemmy.world, so I could no longer access these instances. As a user, my account and its ability to access content got censored without my say. So, I made this one instead.
When you block an instance, you are censoring users from accessing it. I can't make it any simpler than that.
Your point is moot because it doesn’t demonstrate censorship, because you can easily make an account that isn’t blocked.
Incorrect; you could still access those instances, seeing and reading posts; you weren’t able to post or comment to them yourself, and crucially are able to do so if you make a new instance that was federated with it.
Okay, so you just don’t know what “getting censored” means. This isn’t how this word is used. You don’t say “my ability to read books at the library was censored”, you say “they censored library books so I have less ability to read them”.
No. That’s not what censoring means, for one thing, and for another, you can still access the instance, just not participate in it.
I can't believe I need to explain basic English to you.
I'm going to bed, dude. If you can make that easy account and easily post, then I'll concede. But you won't, since you fucking can't.
how about that whole span of time that r/the_donald was a subreddit lmao
I can tell you the exact same thing. Keep the attacks to yourself.