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The instance seems to be mostly right wing trolls. I know defederating is unpopular but I don't think much is to be lost in this case and it can save the mods some headaches.

Edit: the response on exploding-heads.com to my reporting of transphobia. Courtesy of the "second in command"

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[–] goat@sh.itjust.works -5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can literally access all content available on every instance from any account.

No, you can't. If an instance has one blocked, you can see it if you deliberately look for it by typing its URL or looking in Blocked Instances. But it won't appear naturally in your feed, nor will you be able to see its users or interact with it.

That means it stops you from interacting with those blocked instances, even if you liked the content from said instances. See the problem now?

[–] AndyGHK@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, no? Because you can still make a new instance to engage with that content? And because you can still see it if you deliberately look for it? Like I literally said?

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But you can't interact with it. You have to make a new account in an entirely separate instance to do that. Why do I need to make a new account to access other instances because some mod decided they don't like the content.

Right now making new accounts is easy, yeah, but if the fediverse gets large, it'll become impossibly difficult to make new accounts if your name is common.

[–] AndyGHK@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

No offense but I don’t especially care that you don’t like how it works, because my point is just that it’s not censorship. Demonstrably you don’t need to make a new account to access other instances, you can still see and engage with those instances by deliberately interacting with them.

Why would you federate yourself in an instance that you disagree with the moderation on??

Lol as the fediverse gets large this problem will shrink, not grow, because more groups with different moderators and different moderation styles but the same communities will crop up.

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

bruh that's not how it works.

When an instance is blocked, YOU CANNOT ENGAGE WITH IT. You can view it if you know how to find it, but you can't access it, you can't comment on it, you can't have others from that instance contact you, you can't do anything in that blocked instance.

like fuck, earlier you talked about how easy it is for you to make an account. So go ahead and make a burggit account, and then try to post on a blocked instance. You'll find your post is invisible to everyone.

[–] AndyGHK@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

If you can view it, you can access it, dude. And the point is that you’re eminently free to participate in other instances that don’t restrict you, and that there are people using the site who aren’t you who might want posting restricted from some communities.

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

you can't fucking access it, omg. Go ahead, right now, make a burggit account and try to make a post on lemmy.world

Then, when that inevitably fails, I hope you apologise for your mistake. ___

[–] AndyGHK@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Dude… “post” and “access” aren’t the same word, and you’re getting unnecessarily energetic about this just because I disagree you’re being CENSORED

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works -5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are you seriously arguing on semantics?

[–] AndyGHK@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The core of the issue is the definition of fucking censorship!

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, I've made my point. It's on you to disprove it, which, as you put it previously, "is easy". Make a burggit account, make a lemmy.world post, see how that works out for you.

See, my whole argument is that I had a beehaw account, but then beehaw blocked sh.it and lemmy.world, so I could no longer access these instances. As a user, my account and its ability to access content got censored without my say. So, I made this one instead.

When you block an instance, you are censoring users from accessing it. I can't make it any simpler than that.

[–] AndyGHK@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Your point is moot because it doesn’t demonstrate censorship, because you can easily make an account that isn’t blocked.

so I could no longer access these instances

Incorrect; you could still access those instances, seeing and reading posts; you weren’t able to post or comment to them yourself, and crucially are able to do so if you make a new instance that was federated with it.

my ability to access content got censored without my say

Okay, so you just don’t know what “getting censored” means. This isn’t how this word is used. You don’t say “my ability to read books at the library was censored”, you say “they censored library books so I have less ability to read them”.

When you block an instance, you are censoring users from accessing it

No. That’s not what censoring means, for one thing, and for another, you can still access the instance, just not participate in it.

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works -2 points 1 year ago

I can't believe I need to explain basic English to you.



I'm going to bed, dude. If you can make that easy account and easily post, then I'll concede. But you won't, since you fucking can't.