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[–] TechyDad@lemmy.world 177 points 1 year ago (5 children)

They claim to be pro-life, but they're really just anti-women and pro-forced-birth.

[–] rzlatic@lemmy.ml 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)

their namecalling and pointing fingers into others, too often ends up as a projection, while their pro-something claims too often ends up being flat opposite.

[–] WHYAREWEALLCAPS@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Whenever you point a finger, you got three more pointing back at you.

[–] RavenFellBlade@startrek.website 23 points 1 year ago

I've said this 1,000 times, and I'll repeat it as often as I need to.

The Left is arguing Human Rights. The Right is arguing Property Rights. Conservative values are very clear that women are not seen as independent individuals, but as property of their fathers and then their husbands. Women are chattel. This mentality permeates and pervades every aspect of Conservative ideology where women are concerned. Men must protect women. Not because it benefits the woman, though they will tell women that they should be grateful for the protection. Men must protect their property, they must protect their investment in that woman. It's important to understand that Conservatives view all non-white, non-male, queer, and non-Conservatives as inherently inferior, requiring their guidance and control to conform to their superior ideology, or extermination if they refuse.

View everything they say and do through that lens, and everything makes perfect sense.

[–] Ragdoll_X@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

100%. There are plenty of studies showing that supposed "pro-life" sentiment explains little of the left-right difference in abortion support.

A 2014 study analyzed the data of more than 7400 people and found that “perceptions of preborn humanness explained very little of right–left differences in abortion support, and the association between preborn humanness perceptions and abortion opposition was no stronger for those on the political right (vs. left).”4 And a 2022 poll by Pew also found that a third of Americans simultaneously believe that a fetus is a person with rights and that the decision to abort should be up to the woman. This means that the majority of people who believe that life starts at conception (about 59%) still believe that women should have the right to an abortion.10

By contrast, a 2017 study found that sexism accounted for 30% to 70% of the left-right difference in abortion stance even after controlling for other relevant variables.5 An earlier study found that authoritarianism had a significant correlation with an anti-abortion position and aggression towards women,6 and a 2019 study found that right-wing authoritarianism had a significant correlation with anti-abortion stigma both before and after controlling for other variables.7

Perhaps unsurprisingly states that restrict abortions also have worse health outcomes for women and children.

[–] PRUSSIA_x86@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That sounds right, but I wonder how they measured things like sexiam and authoritarianism. If it's measurable, I would be interested to see how it corresponds with other political positions.

[–] buddhabound@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Probably with questions like "Should women be able to start a bank account without permission of their husband?" or something along those lines for sexism, and some sort of question that determines whether a ruler should be able to enact policies against the majority of the vote, etc.

[–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yup Republican, conservative, neoliberal, and capitalist need women to be brood sows and the young to be poor and uneducated. It's the only way their economic and political systems work.

[–] oodarthvader@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's funny you mention brood sows as one of the Idaho legislaters directly compared women's reproduction to that of cows

https://jezebel.com/idaho-lawmaker-i-have-opinions-on-the-womens-health-th-1849984572 To quote him directly:

“I’ve milked a few cows, spent most of my time walking behind lines of cows, so if you want some ideas on repro and the women’s health thing, I have some definite opinions,” Nelsen said, before having a little chuckle to himself.

[–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

These states will quickly become women dead zones, like India and China. The moment women are able to leave, they will! Republican men already cry about the dating scene, just wait until ~50% of all women move away when they turn 18. The first civil war was fought over run away slaves, the second one will be over run away women.