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To me, 30% of voters does not at all seem a "minority". This is democracy, the majority decides and elects their leaders, it does not matter if not everybody feels at ease with them. Traditional values represent a country's identity, historical legacy and in the case of Poland, it is what allowed them to survive across multiple foreign invasions and dominations.
The problem is that you can't have a democracy if you allow antidemocratic ideas to be dominant in the political space. What you get in that case is a tyranny of the majority.
Lmao listen to yourself. 30% of a population is by definition a minority of said population.
And you can preserve cultural tradition just fine without being a reactionary asshole with your governmental policies.
Unless the system has only 2 parties like US, with three or more parties involved having a consensus of 30% makes quite a relevant share.
Yeah uh, there’s a word for that: plurality. It’s a distinct concept from “majority”.
Taking over the judiciary with a clearly anti-democratic intent, and violating democratic standards of both, the EU and polish constitution, is not "democracy" (as you say) anymore.
No matter how much you want to wank over "traditional values", an anti-democratic party ruling is not democracy and nobody has to be content with that - in fact, it's democratic obligation to oppose exactly this.
Democracy is not a tyranny of the majority.
30% is no majority - a majority is more than half of the votes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majority_rule
Yes, but even if a single party -be it in Poland or anywhere else- held 90% or so of the votes, it must still comply with the basic rules of human rights, dignity and mutual respect, enabling all people in the country to lead a fullfilling life. Otherwise it'sa dictatorship.
Of course - when have I said otherwise?
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I meant that as generic statement not specifically addressed to you.
As much as I agree, I think that this does not have to be exclusive with policies allowing people to live the lives they want, and guaranteeing a safe future which is difficult under my current government. You can uphold family values with abortion legalised. You can transform the energy sector into a greener one without disenfranchising coal miners. All this is being held back by populist agendas of my leading government officials, who do not wish to even uphold the status quo, but to dig in their heels deeper, while telling their voters who are hurt by this that it's good for them.
Not that simple. Who decides that abortion can be legal and murder can not? Doesn't murder ban "violate" the freedom of those who are inclined to commit it?
Abortion and murder are two separate and distinct acts.
i remember the Neonazi parties in Germany always claiming that abortion would be murder. Seems to be good company then.
yes, who doesnt remember the brave anti LGBT stance Poland took in 1944, so Stalin was like "damn bros, you really hate the gays too, lemme give your country back your independence" I think we even wrote an exam in history class about it...