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Overblown and knee jerk.
I'm enjoying the absolute fuck out of this game - hundreds of hours already and no regrets. This game is a lot deeper than anyone gives it credit for, it's fantastic, and I'm looking forward to more of it.
No Man's Sky bores the hell out of me and yet I'm having so much fun exploring planets and raiding pirate bases and being surprised by handbuilt content in what I thought would be a procedurally generated dungeon. Not to mention the surprisingly deep side and faction quests. Oh and so many hours playing with the shipbuilder.
I'm sorry you're not having fun guys. But maybe you should focus on things that are fun for you?
Agreed, at first I wasn't excited about it but as the quests opened up I was in. I'm on the "new game+" right now and seeing what else I can mess up lol.
My quests tend to end in a lot of shooting innocents... I don't know why that keeps happening. It can't be anything I'm doing...
Same. I've got thousands of hours in Skyrim. It's my favourite game of all time. But I'm more into sci fi than fantasy generally and Starfield is shaping up to be everything I would've asked for. It's taken over my life and I have no regrets. Bethesda smashed it again.
Hand made? I found a lot of copy pasted bases and ships between systems, to the point of thinking that I already visited those
Those are handmade, and it's honestly the issue. If the bases were procedural out of descrete hand made chunks, it'd be less repetitive. There seems to be about five bases for the procedurally placed content, and once you've done it once it gets dull. It's not even like they made furnature procedural or anything like that to change up the looks. They could have at least made different doors locked procedurally so you have to take different routes each time.
Sorry, to clarify, after you mention NMS, all those funs/positives were about Starfield again, right?
It was genuine! I'm also trying to gauge which to play next with the little time I have!
The other one in the mix is The Outer Worlds, which also looks like "Skyrim in space", even though it doesn't get as many mentions.
The only thing I said about NMS was that it bores me. The story is thin and nonsensical, characters are nonexistent. It's a great sandbox with impressive technical merit, but that's not enough to keep me engaged.
Outer Worlds is pretty good but it's an Obsidian title, for better or worse. The game world is bleak and terrible and it's not any better at the end. Their writing is good and their characters are fantastic, and I enjoyed my time with the game but once I was done with the story, I couldn't find much reason to keep playing.
Starfield, on the other hand, is really big and really deep. There is a crap ton of hand-built content - seriously, hundreds of hours in and I'm still struggling to see it all. The four faction quests feel like separate games in themselves. Starship building is awesome. Outpost building is overwhelming and little pointless, but still fun if you like that kind of thing. Yes, there's a bunch of planets with generated content, but it's surprisingly varied. There's a ton of variation in flora and fauna and even the generated dungeons. There's a few times i went to an abandoned something or other expecting just some pirates or something and ended up with a huge cinematic fight and loads of what seems to be hand-built content. Best of all, you can play the game how you want.
Don't like planet scanning? You don't have to. Hate the UC or Freestar Collective, fine you don't need to do theor quests. Hate the ship builder? There's plenty you can buy. Hate outpost building? Great, you can ignore it. Want to ignore the main quest and go be a pirate for a while? Go for it. The Crimson Fleet even gives you a couple of companions you can use if you hate how goody goody the Constallation folks are. This game rewards roleplaying choices more than any other beth title I've ever played.
Also, no spoilers but the New Game + mode is legitimately innovative. The story actually continues through it in wierd and wonderful ways. This is a game I'll easily still be playing for years.
But my only advice is that you have to give it some time. It has a slow start and it'll take a few hours to really start to click. So if you don't want a game you have to spend a lot of time on, Outer Worlds will be a quick romp.
Yeah people really need to calm their rage boners. It's a great game.
Sadly I'll never get to enjoy it, I'm not gonna buy an Xbox just to play it. Really really stupid that we're still doing exclusive games in 2023. I'm a PlayStation user literally wanting to give Bethesda my money, but they don't want it.
Just think of it as a PC game that happens to also have an Xbox release holding it back for some reason.
As a PS person myself I don't feel like we have the right to complain about exclusives! I'm pretty sure Sony has had way more than Xbox ever had and I am fine with it. In today's market the only thing a console may have as an upper hand is an exclusive game. At least with Xbox games these days you immediately have the option to play on PC, which is what I do if I really want to play one, unlike Sony which has just started doing pc for exclusives but you are going to wait 1 or 2 years before it drops.
I like buying a PS every generation because I know it will have the best exclusives to play just like I have a switch because it's the only place to play a Nintendo game. If they didn't have those games why would anyone even bother buying a console at all? If they all shared the same games 100% it would be a coin flip to whatever platform you invest in at that point.
Since the starfield exclusivity thing started, this point has always stuck with me: PlayStation owners buy PlayStation because of the expectation that they will get the best exclusives (and even most other games first). It was so bizarre to see them so brazenly attack Xbox over making starfield exclusive. They couldn't see that they were beneficiaries of these same tactics for so long that they just accepted it as "the way it is." Logically, why would you ever buy an Xbox if PlayStation gets better exclusives and the other great games first? No one should be surprised when TES6 is Xbox/PC exclusive.
You can see how those two things are a little different though, right?
PlayStation buys smaller studios, usually that they have history with, and helps them to build games from the ground up - even new IP’s.
Microsoft bought a major studio that had a game near completion, a game that the studio fully intended on releasing on all platforms, and Microsoft exclusified it.
To be clear, I actually don’t like exclusives at all. But there’s still clearly a difference here, and I can understand where people are coming from when they criticize Microsoft and not Sony.
No, not really. Contrary to your point, Bethesda has worked quite closely with Xbox a number of times (especially back in the oblivion days) and Sony has never been interested in Bethesda's ideas about games (support for Skyrim was abysmal on PlayStation and mods on PS3/4 were a joke).
Is MS a huge jerk for yanking starfield out of the hands of the majority of console gamers? Yeah totally, but Sony is also a huge jerk (and has been) for a long time when it comes to negotiating exclusivity deals, which they have been able to do because they are the number 1 console. It's really not hard to extrapolate how much leverage Sony has over the industry when you see that they have sold 75% more consoles than xbox (35 vs 20 million units sold PS5/XS). I believe the previous gen was even worse. The outcry over this would have been much smaller if the roles were reversed, because it would have just been business as usual for every gamer.
I don't understand the difference honestly. Investment is investment. I think it's stupid to do exclusives, but if one is going to build a walled garden then the other needs one too.
I'm PC only so I don't give a fuck. I can emulate a Switch and eventually I'll be able to emulate a PS5. If they want exclusives, they don't want my money. If they stop building walled gardens then great.
I agree, but how you go about that is important imo. I’m on PC too, so let me use a better example that might hit closer to home.
Epic games. Their use of exclusives has garnered more hate then almost any other storefront in the pc space. But it’s not the exclusives in and of themselves - after all, people never cared when Fortnite didn’t come to Steam. Similarly, nobody lost their minds when The Sims was exclusive to Origin, or Assassins Creed to Uplay.
The difference between these games, as opposed to other Epic exclusives, is that these games were built by these companies from the ground up. Nobody cares if Fortnite is an Epic exclusive because Epic made that game - it’s their right to keep it to themselves. The same goes for the Sims with EA, and Assassins Creed with Ubisoft.
It’s only when Epic snatches nearly completed games that they had nothing to do with, that people get angry. So in this way, Microsoft is the Epic games of the console scene, while Sony is more akin to Ubisoft or something.
And I'm not going to buy a Playstation just to play The Last of Us, Spiderman, Detroit: Become Human or any of the other games Sony refuses to sell Xbox users.
I'd love to play those games but Sony just doesn't want my money.
I'm not going to whine about it either though.
Same. Can’t imagine the logic behind denying a product to a console that outsells yours 2:1. It’s fucking dumb.
Of course they do, games are bloodline of a console and you think M$ gonna give a game made by it to a direct competitor? It's like Apple allow other phone OEMs to use iOS
I think it’s dumb to deny themselves the fuckton of money that PlayStation users would have paid to buy the game, and that I would guarantee you that they didn’t sell even close to enough consoles to make up for it considering it’s a pretty shit game to begin with.
They could have recouped some of their money from it, but no- it’s a flop now.
Most of the "sale" of this game comes from xbox pass and that's enough for M$. Xbox is already being outsold so giving Sony more advantage for a little recoup is stupid strategy.