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[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 63 points 1 year ago (7 children)

CBS NEWS: “We saw no bodies, injured people, ambulances or medical personnel — in short, nothing to even suggest, let alone prove, that a “massacre” had occurred in [Tiananmen Square]”

BBC NEWS: “I was one of the foreign journalists who witnessed the events that night. There was no massacre on Tiananmen Square”

NY TIMES: In June 13, 1989, NY Times reporter Nicholas Kristof – who was in Beijing at that time – wrote, “State television has even shown film of students marching peacefully away from the [Tiananmen] square shortly after dawn as proof that they [protesters] were not slaughtered.” In that article, he also debunked an unidentified student protester who had claimed in a sensational article that Chinese soldiers with machine guns simply mowed down peaceful protesters in Tiananmen Square.

REUTERS: Graham Earnshaw was in the Tiananmen Square on the night of June 3. He didn’t leave the square until the morning of June 4th. He wrote in his memoir that the military came, negotiated with the students and made everyone (including himself) leave peacefully; and that nobody died in the square.

200-300 people died in clashes in various parts of Beijing, around June 4 — and about half of those who died were soldiers and cops..

A Wikileaks cable from the US Embassy in Beijing (sent in July 1989) also reveals the eyewitness accounts of a Latin American diplomat and his wife: “They were able to enter and leave the [Tiananmen] square several times and were not harassed by troops. Remaining with students … until the final withdrawal, the diplomat said there were no mass shootings in the square or the monument.”

Numerous military buses, trucks, armored vehicles, and tanks being burned by the “peaceful” protesters. Sometimes the soldiers were allowed to escape, and sometimes they were brutally killed by the protesters. Numerous protesters were armed with Molotov cocktails and even guns.

Wall Street Journal: In an article from June 5, 1989, the Wall Street Journal described some of this violence: “Dozens of soldiers were pulled from trucks, severely beaten and left for dead. At an intersection west of the square, the body of a young soldier, who had been beaten to death, was stripped naked and hung from the side of a bus.”

The official report of the Chinese government from 1989 (translated here) shows that more than 1000 military and police vehicles were burned by rioters. And 200+ soldiers and policemen were murdered. Just imagine how much restraint the military and the police had shown.

Wait, how could the protesters kill so many soldiers? Because, until the very end, Chinese soldiers were unarmed. Most of the times, they didn’t even have helmets or batons.

What exactly happened in Beijing in 1989 that lead to this bloody affair?

The answer lies with two key figures: General Secretary Hu Yaobang, and Ambassador James Lilley.

Hu Yaobang was a member of the communist party of China and was one of the three major rightist-reformers that set China on the path its on today, the other two being Zhao Ziyang, and Deng Xiaoping respectively. Hu Yaobang as a reformer was also a spokesman for the intelligentsia and by the end of his life was well-beloved by the youth of China (we're talking below 30 here, folks) therefore when he passed away the youth of China organized public grieving events with the largest occurring in Beijing. This is to say if Hu didn't die from old age that year, none of this would've happened that year. This is to also say this event had nothing to do with "freedom" or "democracy" or whatever pigshit your favorite rush limburger propagandist spoon feeds you, it was a funeral service that was hijacked to unseat the Chinese government - which so coincidentally is a speciality of the agency the second person we're talking about.

Ambassador James Lilley, the son of an american expat oil executive for Standard Oil, was a CIA agent operating in east Asia from 1951 to 1981 with little officially known about him (I know for a fact he's fucked around Korea and Laos, so it's not a stretch to say he's likely been involved with every conflict that occured during his official career). In his "post" CIA career he's acted as a diplomatic liason to the provice of Taiwan, a teacher to future state department ghouls, and "helped" South Korea end its military dicatorship by helping the military win the election "democratically", and abruptly five days after the death of General Secretary Hu Yaobang James Lilley was appointed as the US Ambassador to China by also former CIA ghoul and president of the United States George H. W. Bush. What an astounding coincidence.

In an article from Vancouver Sun (17 Sep 1992) described the role of the CIA: “The Central Intelligence Agency had sources among [Tiananmen Square] protesters” … and “For months before [the protests], the CIA had been helping student activists form the anti-government movement.”

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 55 points 1 year ago

And just a reminder. In communist China, you can be a pain in the ass by obstructing tanks trying to exist a parade, argue with the commander, then get rushed away by other normal people going "dude what the Hell's your problem"

In capitalist America if you step out of line by doing something as minor a exersizing your constitutional rights, you'll be maimed or murdered. Hell sometimes you'll get maimed and murdered because the schutzstaffel feel like it

[–] DBVegas@hexbear.net 37 points 1 year ago

Lmao was just about to say, one of these is not like the other.

[–] TheBroodian@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

Thank you, very frustrated that I had to scroll so far down to find this with regard to the so-called Tiananmen Square "massacre"

[–] littlecolt@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

You useful idiots are going to be among the first against the wall to find out about China's mercy I imagine. You'll demand to fellate the firing squad beforehand.

[–] muddi@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

idgi what are you trying to say here?

China hunts down useful idiots? All their firing squad members have penises? The Great Wall is used for executions?

[–] Flinch@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

When the People's Liberation Army makes landfall on the western shores of North America, I will be here to greet them as heroes mao-wave

[–] mayo_cider@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

Useful idiots believing CBS, NY Times, Reuters and BBC?

[–] smeg@feddit.uk 3 points 1 year ago

Did you even read your own articles or did you just cherry-pick quotes? For instance the conclusion of the BBC article:

There was no Tiananmen Square massacre, but there was a Beijing massacre.

The shorthand we often use of the "Tiananmen Square protests" of 1989 gives the impression that this was just a Beijing issue. It was not.

Protests occurred in almost every city in China (even in a town on the edge of the Gobi desert).

What happened in 1989 was by far the most widespread pro-democracy upheaval in communist China's history. It was also by far the bloodiest suppression of peaceful dissent.

[–] doctorcrimson@lemmy.today -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I do appreciate skepticism wherever applicable, but China keeps getting handed from one Dictatorship to another so it's hard to see them as victims unless they make some effort to change in more ways than just economically. It also sounds like complete bullshit that the "armed and dangerous protestors" died in equal number to "unarmed and unhelmeted military personnel." Like, for real? Those tanks in a line were made of cardboard?

[–] LordBelphegor@lemm.ee -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Great job comrade, president XiJing Ping will personally give you an offer to be an officer in Uigyur internment camps.

WuMao.