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[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (28 children)

You know what's a good way to prevent shootings? People not having guns. You guys in the US should try that sometimes...

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (23 children)

OR....we could actually tackle the problem at it's core and create meaningful changes that would curb the violence over all without even touching guns:

  • Ending the War on Drugs

  • Ending Qualified immunity

  • Properly funding our schools and not just rich white suburb schools.

  • Build more schools and hire more teachers for proper pay so the class room sizes aren't 30-40 kids for one teacher.

  • Single Payer healthcare

  • UBI (at least start talking about it) once AI takes over most of the blue collar jobs.

  • End for profit prisons

  • Enforce the laws already on the books

  • Make sure there are safety nets for poor families so the kids don't turn to violence/gangs to survive.

  • Increase the minimum wage

  • Recreate our mental healthcare so kids don't turn to the internet for support. And to help veterans not end up as a suicide number.

  • Actively make a law to solidify Pro-choice rights. More unwanted children do not help our situation.

  • Banning Insider Trading for Congress

  • Term limits

  • Ranked Choice Voting so we can move away from a 2 party system

[–] Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Very good, very nicely done list. Add to it strict gun control and it will be very close to perfect

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[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Or we could just touch guns instead of pretending we only need to completely fix every aspect of our society instead.

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

450+ million firearms. When they effectively banned firearms in Australia...60% was the turn in rate. You know how many millions will be left? Which the majority will stay in the crimals hands? And that's if 60% handed them in. It's not happening

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

270 million fewer firearms sounds great. Australia's 60% turn in rate wasn't 100% and it worked, and having fewer firearms in circulation means fewer firearm deaths and fewer firearms available to criminals and a continual reduction over time as new firearms aren't added to the system.

Gun nuts just throw shit at the wall to see what sticks. Sometimes it's that all those guns aren't a problem, sometimes it's that it's too big a problem. You're just tedious.

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Australia had around 1mil firearms in civ hands, they also didn't have anywhere near the level of violence we do. Those 270mil firearms will come from mainly people who collect them. It won't magically make the other 180mil safer. Most criminals get their firearms from straw purchases, not theft.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Australia had around 1mil firearms in civ hands, they also didn’t have anywhere near the level of violence we do.

It's almost like they impact each other.

Those 270mil firearms will come from mainly people who collect them.

Great. Find a new goddamned hobby that doesn't end up distributing guns into communities through theft and careless transfers. Not to mention when one of those "collectors" just decides it's time to start killing people like the Las Vegas shooter.

Most criminals get their firearms from straw purchases, not theft.

Buyback should be paired with greatly restricted purchasing. Fewer and harder purchases with more tracking means fewer straw purchases and over time fewer guns. Machine guns are hard and expensive to get in part because you're not allowed to make or sell new ones.

Or, if you contend it's really just straw purchases that are the problem (and want to ignore the legally purchased guns used in crimes all the time), then lets lock that down. Register every gun, require background checks for every sale, and hold the last known owner liable if it's used in a crime and wasn't reported stolen.

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So you're end goal is to ban guns completely?

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nah, people can still have hunting weapons as regulated by local ordinance and enjoy their right to bear arms in well-regulated militias.

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

That's not what the 2nd was for at all.

[–] Armen12@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, now Australia is having their human rights stripped away at an alarming rate. What a victory for liberty!

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago

Owning guns is "Human Rights". You guys are so fucking weird.

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[–] jeremy_sylvis@midwest.social 2 points 1 year ago

I wish you the best of luck in addressing that symptom in a society where such bans aren't commonly-supported, where the law isn't conducive to such, where there's such an incredible established base of ownership, and where "fuck the government and/or police" is the prevailing theme.

By all means, when you've discovered some way of meaningfully and feaaibly surmounting these, share with the class. You'll be the first to have done so.

Meanwhile, the rest of us will focus on the root issues - the pressures toward violence - rather than only caring someone decided to use a rifle to when finally pushed to the brink.

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[–] HurlingDurling@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

We try, but we are surrounded by stupid

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