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[–] OrnluWolfjarl@lemmygrad.ml -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He was on camera bragging at a public event how he blackmailed the Ukrainian government to fire Burisma's prosecutor, while his son was a board member. The emails and witness testimonies are pretty conclusive.

There's plenty of evidence. The problem is 1. Lack of political will to actually do anything substantial about it and 2. This is merely a political cudgel for the elections. The Republicans are using the impeachment in a cynical way to scare their potential voters back in line, and to keep discussion around Biden's corruption going. A trick they aptly learned from the Democrats.

After the elections, whoever loses will be crying how the election was stolen from them, and the cycle will begin anew.

Btw, this is exactly how Roman politics devolved during Julius Caesar's time and how they ended up with the dissolution of the republic by Octavian.

[–] ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Again “He’s caught in camera”, and “There is plenty of evidence” “emails and witness testimonies”

Can you please link your sources and the videos you are talking about???

[–] OrnluWolfjarl@lemmygrad.ml -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Literally check the comment below you.

[–] ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A Twitter clip out of context? That’s your evidence?

You made several claims that that clip doesn’t t support either. Cite your sources is it that hard?

[–] OrnluWolfjarl@lemmygrad.ml -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm not about to go on a 30-minute search online, only for you to come back and dispute it non-chalantly. If you are interested, find the full video, and the context behind it. This topic has been broadly covered.

[–] ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

So you have no sources? Stop talking out of your ass then. If it was so broadly covered, why would you need 30 minutes of research? Also why would I dispute it if the research was good?

Evidence is the burden of the accuser and the one making claims, its not my job to fact check you making shit up.

[–] OrnluWolfjarl@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Please, don't pretend you are here to debate in good faith. From your tone it's pretty clear whatever I link to you, no matter where it comes from will be dismissed. I'm not going to waste my time thusly. Believe what you will. It is obvious that is what you wish and no matter what I say or show will convince you otherwise.

[–] ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, you got your bluff called and you have nothing to back up your claim with.

You keep stalling and saying that you’re not being engaged in good faith, or that everything will just be dismissed, when you have provided absolutely nothing as evidence.

If you want to simply lie, then going for the tone policing line is about as weak as you can go. I’ll use whatever tone I’d like for a person can can’t even give a single link to back up claims they pulled from their ass.

If you make claims it’s your duty to back them up and defend them. If you don’t want to, then don’t lie tk begin with.

Nice try.

[–] OrnluWolfjarl@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Lol alright buddy. You are the one to talk about tone policing.

If you make claims it’s your duty to back them up and defend them. If you don’t want to, then don’t lie tk begin with.

I didn't lie. You merely don't want to believe me. Which is fine by me. I have no obligation to convince you otherwise. The world doesn't spin around you.

can’t even give a single link

I'm not here to hold an academic discussion, or waste my time arguing with debatebros. You were shown a link already, and it's pretty clear you aren't actually interested in it. Why would I send you more links?

[–] ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I don’t want to believe you until you provide a source. Why should I take you at your word. What makes your word so infallible?

Is it that hard to understand.

You can’t make claims, and then when pushed simply say “Trust me bro”

[–] OrnluWolfjarl@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 year ago

I'm not saying "trust me bro". I'm saying go ahead and use google on your own time. I'm not interested in convincing you. I stated my opinion and explained it. If you want to do something with that go ahead. If not, then I simply don't care. I don't know how I can say this more plainly.

I've seen how you engaged the other person who gave you the link to the video. I can tell how entrenched you are in your beliefs that you will nitpick your way out of anything. I've also noticed how you will not back up your own claims with "sources". Because you aren't actually interested in "sources". You are simply using that as a lazy excuse to avoid having a normal discussion with someone, like a normal person would.