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People claim that i cannot be communist because my family is wealthy. This argument is just stupid in many ways, its as if you told a white person he cannot be against racism because he is part of a more privileged group. The people argumenting this pile of diarrhea which they interpret as a "gotcha" moment also seem to forget that a lot of revolutionaries were from wealthy families like Friedrich Engels, Che Guevara, Fidel Castro, Marx etc. Being communist has nothing to do with your class-background but your solidarity and the willingness to commit yourself to the liberation of the working class. Having petit-bourgeois, or even bourgeois parents does not make one hypocrit, you are a hypocrit the moment you exploit workers yourself. I myself met a lot of fake-intellectuals who made this argument which made me, as a baby leftist at that time, feel really insecure about the ideas i hold but at the end no true communist cares about wealth, power, luxury or anything as such. If somebody made me the offer that if i had to live the rest in my life in a small, cold, concrede apartment with no kithcen, bedroom or toilet in return all the people would be supplied with food, clothing and shelter...i wouldnt take a second to aggree.

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[–] alcoholicorn@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

all it takes is your want to destroy capitalism

Someone's internal desires are irrelevant here. Someone who doesn't actually practice theory is apolitical.

marx himself, [was] materially bourgeois, but they didn't oppress the proletariat

You mean Engels. Marx was a journalist/writer. Engels owned a factory and did exploit the proletariat.

But all this is missing the point. We live under capitalism. Subjecting yourself/family to extreme poverty is not going to bring about the revolution, and will prevent you from various methods of supporting it.

[–] sevenapples@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When someone pulled the "Engels was a factory owner" card on me, I did some minimal searching and found that it was his father who owned the factory, with him getting appointed to a menial desk job. But even if that's not true (and the reason I didn't search any further) is that it doesn't really matter, even if he was a hypocrite the analyses he did with Marx and the actions they propose seem valid.

[–] CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Regardless of whether Engels owned the factory, @alcoholicorn@hexbear.net's point that action, not beliefs, is what makes someone a communist still stands.

[–] CrimsonTankie@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

beliefs do make you a communist, are disabled people not communist because they are unable to physically organize? lmao

i know one such person like this myself, she's physically disabled but is still 100% communist even if she cant physically organize all that well.

now obviously this changes if you ARE able-bodied and able to stuff but simply choose not to, but my point still stands

someone who is truly a communist and also able-bodied will want to physically take action anyways

[–] CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

now obviously this changes if you ARE able-bodied and able to stuff but simply choose not to

This literally describes me. I cannot in good faith call myself a communist.

[–] CrimsonTankie@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago

disabilities can be mental or you may not be in a good financial situation to do much etc, just do what you can in your current situatuon

[–] CrimsonTankie@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 year ago

Marx was also materially bourgeois as he lived and fully depended (materially) on a bourgeois person (engels), as far as i know he didnt have a job and he was fully dependent on engels for everything.