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[–] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)
[–] doublejay1999@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Depends who you ask, doesn’t it

  • the OBR have said it’s currently costing 4% of GDP per year and trade with the block is down 15%
  • 80% of touring musicians have said their income is affecting by new restrictions on working in the EU
  • travellers will tell you the delays at port of dover, when a critical incident was declared due to queues caused by increased processing time
  • the welsh government have said they’ll be down a billion quid over a 3 period after government failed to keep its promises of matches funding
  • scientists are bit more cheerful having dug themselves out of the shit just this week and regained access to science funding.

The list is as long as you want it to be, but it’s All by the by really, because the better question - since it was pitched as being to the betterment of the UK - what benefits has it delivered?

[–] Syldon@feddit.uk 3 points 1 year ago

OK now show me a graph that actually involves Brexit. This is not comparing apples to apples. Only an idiot would buy into this.

The UK GDP fell off a cliff after the Brexit vote. So yes we may have had a unexpected difference in the GDP after that, but this does not deflect that Brexit has been massively damaging to our GDP.

UK GDP per capita in dollars: 2015 - 45,071 2016 - 41,146 2017 - 43,306

So by 2018 we had lost $2000 per head in the country. It is recorded that the wealth gap in the UK is now larger after Brexit than before. This means this has more of a significant impact to the poorer than to the rich. This does not count for inflation which is running wild. It does not count for the difference in energy costs which are affecting the UK more than our comparable in the EU, which Tories love to show a comparison to. What they never explain is that the likes of Germany, The Netherlands and France are also trying to recover from the affects of Brexit. Their economy would also be so much better off. Brexit did not just hurt the UK alone.

My earlier post spoke of the twisted narrative that is spouted from the Tories trying to corrupt thinking in the UK. You sir, are it.

[–] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Nope,

OBR says 4% of productivity, not GDP, over 15 years. Please show me a chart that shows GDP down by 4% per year. We'd be absolutely fucked if so.

Trade of what is down 15%? Source?

EU offered the UK a visa scheme for musicians, so that's all on the Tories

Yep, there's delays at every EU border, they've been promising a digital customs window since the 1990's...but the UK has caused its own issues there, fair dos

Tories not keeping promises to Wales is not down to brexit, it's down to the Tories.

All science funding has continued, it has just come out of UK govt pocket not EU...

[–] doublejay1999@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's not about thinking, it's about facts.

Here's UK EU trade since 1999, goods and services are at all time highs