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EDIT: no, I don't sympathize with nazis (neither I sympathize with those who call everyone nazi when they're loosing an argument ;)

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[–] mustardman@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Here's a comment thread where a Hexbear user said "I hope to kill people like you" because I simply said I supported democratic socialism.

Going on any Hexbear instance people froth over telling anyone right of Karl Marx to "get up against the wall". You guys are, and will always be, a joke.

[–] AlpineSteakHouse@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago (44 children)

You said you supported Social Democracy not Democratic Socialism. Dem Socs are well-meaning but idealistic, not optimistic but the political philosophy of idealism. Soc Dems are supporters of a kinder capitalism for the Imperial core but keeping the child slaves mining cobalt in the Congo.

The fact that you think these are the same proves the original posters point that you should read theory. They were harsh but you were implying that keeping exploitation of the third world is preferable to socialism.

Dude you still don’t stop worker exploitation, don’t solve the contradiction of working and capitalist classes, don’t end imperialism or colonialism (social democracy outsources exploitation to the third world)

Ok let me know how your method works out

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[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago

If course you would, like a good little authoritarian.

In my ideal society I’d give people like you the freedom you deserve.

This you?

[–] Mindfury@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

because I simply said I supported democratic socialism.

so you promoted violence first?
i'm failing to see your complaint here

[–] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (14 children)

Haha, classic Catradora_Stalinism, what a rascal.

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[–] uralsolo@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I simply said I supported democratic socialism

So you said that you support the regime of extreme global inequality against the third world in order to maintain treats in the first.

[–] mustardman@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I support what are realistic policies actually will push the status quo in the direction you want.

Larping on the internet waiting for a revolution to occur seems like a nice fantasy.

[–] uralsolo@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

IDK what country you're from, but in America at least, a democratic socialist has about as much likelihood of being elected to any given office as a communist does, so if you're looking for "realistic" policies you should look elsewhere.

[–] mustardman@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

There are numerous democratic socialists who are in Congress, you just aren't paying attention.

Run for office. There have been many spoilers from genuine grassroots campaigns. Don't want to do either? Keep coping and seething online.

[–] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The master's tools will never dismantle the master's house. Entryism always changes the entrant rather than the system. We are revolutionary socialists.

[–] mustardman@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It's clear you never studied US politics if you think that is remotely true. The Gilded Age and the Great Depression briefly pushed America away from corporate interests towards policy that benefited the working class. We averted overt fascism a la the Business Plot and the ratfucking that Smedley Butler disclosed while being the most badass anti-capitalist ever.

You're not a revolutionary socialist, you're a larper who won't do anything to better the world other than wait for this revolution like it's the second coming of Christ.

You guys are the QAnon of the left.

[–] uralsolo@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We averted overt fascism a la the Business Plot

You're describing one group of bourgeoisie resisting a takeover by a different group of bourgeoisie. This is not a meaningful resistance to capitalism, this is the maintenance of a capitalist state.

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[–] brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

How does any of that disagree with what he said?

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[–] uralsolo@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Who are you talking about? AOC? If your definition of a democratic socialist is a left-leaning Democrat then it is thoroughly incompatible with mine, because I would require at a minimum that anybody classified as any kind of "socialist" be staunchly opposed to Capital.

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[–] Chapo_is_Red@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I too support democratic socialism

chavez-salute

maduro-salute

evo

allende-rhetoric

Allende just needed more people's militias

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[–] letsgocrazy@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So socialism, if it has any degree of democracy to it, which is kind of essential to socialism, is evil in your eyes.

What version of decision making is acceptable in socialism then?

Just one party rule?

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[–] Aria@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 1 year ago

Extreme violence is still violence. Industrial violence on a massive scale is still violence. You are advocating for violence, terrible violence, and then getting upset someone else advocated for comparatively mild violence.