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[–] ToyDork@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (59 children)

This has nothing to do with any of that.

The best results (for certain degrees of "good", see the "Fuck Cars" movement, #MoreThanJustBikes and Racist by Design for its downsides) from any socialist experiment to ever be undertaken was, of all things, the US Interstate Highway Act. Yes, the highways that serve as the beacon of Capitalist freedom are also socialist; they're funded by taxes.

Now, Communism is another beast entirely. In a Communist society, 100% of the economy is planned and funded by taxes; this quite simply puts too much power in too few hands, much like America's current corporate oligarchy but as a nationalized monopoly. Authoritarians adore a concentration of power and will consume and violate powerful positions if given the option.

A government railroad is not communism. A public school system is not communism.

The reason to fear communism is because it is designed by extremely authoritarian individuals, not because it runs off your tax dollars.

Socialism is an aquarium within which the communist fish (communist nations) are dead but the capitalist fish (corporations) are the tiny fish feeding of the remaining government fish (the modern globalized nations of the world, regardless of stability, technology or form of government), which vary in health and size but are generally bigger and healthier than the capitalist fish... Except day by day the government fish get thinner and weaker and certain capitalist fish get fat off the blood they leech. The blood is tax-funded resources like health care, and the capitalist fish which aren't growing fat off the government fish are the charities, unions and the average persons who collect food for and pick parasites off the skin of the government fish.

Obviously that's abstract, but the relationship is basically that. You are already socialist, you just don't realise socialism can exist beyond the trap that is planned economics.

[–] wtypstanaccount04@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago (19 children)

Yes, the highways that serve as the beacon of Capitalist freedom are also socialist; they're funded by taxes.

Socialism is when the government does stuff

Socialism is an aquarium within which the communist fish (communist nations) are dead but the capitalist fish (corporations) are the tiny fish feeding of the remaining government fish (the modern globalized nations of the world, regardless of stability, technology or form of government), which vary in health and size but are generally bigger and healthier than the capitalist fish... Except day by day the government fish get thinner and weaker and certain corporate fish get fat off the blood they leech. The blood is tax-funded resources like health care, and the capitalist fish which aren't growing fat off the government fish are the charities, unions and the average persons who collect food for and pick parasites off the skin of the government fish.

jesse-wtf Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about?

[–] ToyDork@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago (18 children)

Socialism is when the government does stuff.

Uh, yeah? Socialism is a product or service provided by a government agency at a reduced or waived price. The products and services in question don't just happen.

Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about?

Trying to explain the world economic state to the extremists on both sides of the political spectrum. Because they don't seem to understand mass media lied about the definitions of various political ideologies. Sush.

[–] InappropriateEmote@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Socialism is when the government does stuff.

Uh, yeah?

You are literally saying something that is so thoroughly absurd it is a well known meme used to make fun of people who don't know what they're talking about.

Clip of the most famous example of the meme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgiC8YfytDw

Lecture the clip is from (that you could learn a lot from): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysZC0JOYYWw

Look, ignorance is not a crime. But you really are painfully ignorant about the topic you are claiming to explain and you would do well to learn more before presuming to educate "extremists on both sides." Your comments are so lacking in self awareness and so cringe that I'm half convinced this is a bit.

Edit: So after a refresh of the thread I read more of your comments and I'm glad to see you're willing to learn and discuss. Here is another good introduction point that's been well received by a lot of people beginning to look beyond the buzzwords and genuinely learn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpKsygbNLT4 Actually, the same could be said for about every video on that channel (Second Thought).

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