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For wide spread adoption there are a lot of issues with the fediverse. The main one is the home pages of fediverse instances or join-X.org sites immediately turn people away with their language, jargon and content. Nobody cares about the open source licence, or how it's "federated" or what the developers can do, or that you can run your own server or what languages and frameworks it's built on etc. These all will turn people away. Literally the first sentence on join-lemmy is "Lemmy is a selfhosted social link aggregation and discussion platform". Nobody wants to self host anything (well I do, but near to 100% of people don't). Then there are screen shots of code diff's and actual code, then a list of programming languages, then some Latin with hard to see 'mod tools', and then at the end back to self hosting "With Lemmy, you can easily host your own server, and all these servers are federated". None of this is enticing people in. It's turning people away.
These entrances to the fediverse should be about community, discussions, engagement etc. That's what people want to sign up for and start participating. Just get them signed up. Once they're in they can learn about the other benefits and that they can move the profile to different servers, or whathaveyou. Keep all the other bumf hidden away behind a "benefits" link.
Someone needs to come up with better terminology to fediverse and federated to avoid having to explain it all the time. It's federated... You know... Like email. Well I've used email a long time and nobody has ever called it federated or used that term before when talking about any aspect of email - and I run my own email server.
Tl:dr: just cut the crap and make on-boarding easier. Dont let developers dictate the content of the homepage.
In theory, I agree with you! A 100%, but the problem is that currently Lemmy doesn't support migrating your profile to a different server. So that already slightly complicates things. So from the get-go they are forced to make choice. A choice which isn't clear, what potential consequences are and the fact they currently easily migrate to a different server, obviously doesn't help.
"Like email" is basically the same description I've been using to explain it to non-tech people.
Long story short, onboarding needs to get better. But that also applies for other Fediverse projects (like Mastodon or Friendica).
I'm not sure the 'like email' thing helps.
Email is confusing and not what most people use to connect with others. I don't know anyone who met via email.
Trying to get groups of people to connect meaningfully over email didn't work. Messenger apps did work as they removed user freedom to top-reply and break everything.
I'm vaguely interested in IT, seflhost a little and compile a kernel from time to time but email still seems esoteric and confusing to me.
Join the fediverse! It's as simple as setting up an email server!
In my experience it at least helps in the sense that, when people ask "why are there more then 1 site?" ? And up to a certain degree you use that to explain the concept of federating.
“Lemmy is a selfhosted social link aggregation and discussion platform”
Okay seriously, this was my first issue. Someone on Reddit recommended Lemmy to me and I saw that and immediately went back to them and was like "WTF?".
Lemmy: Front pages of the internet
I do agree that for the average user, its not as easy as "lol funny cat gifs and memes are here, just make an account"
Reddit was much more easy for user adoption
I agree for the most part and that the front page should be more focused on what the user will gain or be able to do if they join and in language that understand. However, the first sentence is "Follow communities anywhere in the world" not bad at least. It should elaborate on what that means.
Some people of course really do care about FOSS and letting people know that or even just having them see those words/ideas is important IMHO. It could, however, elaborate by saying "social media that is not corporate controlled" or whatever that may make the point about it more clear.
Finding a good analogy is hard. But at the risk of sounding like a snob, a little barrier to entry isn't always a bad thing...
The thought of trying to explain this to one of our users (helpdesk monke). No thanks...
A barrier to entry might be a life and death issue for Lemmy.
Lemmy was not created last week, man. All you see here today already existed and was running when spez hit the fan.
In that sense, part of what attracts me to this is a bit of the barrier to entry. I find it enticing, it reminds me of the good old days, where you had to earn your way in, in a sense. Of course that's silly old man talk, because honestly, all you have to do is select any random site and sign up.
Lemmy.world, Lemmy.ml, it all comes down to the same thing. This "barrier" to entry is almost fictitious, and I feel that's the ideal type of barrier.
Similar to how the internet culture was before it was popular, only vested people were online
I get the sentiment, but who is going to do it? just as the developers are donating their time, there will need to be community minded folks doing the same.
Lemmy doesn't have a marketing budget to spend on a community manager.
There are a couple issues open on join-lemmy's github - https://github.com/LemmyNet/joinlemmy-site/issues, but not a lot in the way of contributing to fix it.
I mean, I get for a lot of people it's not user friendly, but ultimately Lemmy is not some start up that has to grab a market share quick. If no one contributes better documentation, perhaps there won't be a high enough adoption rate, but that's ok for Lemmy.
I think a lot of developers tend to massively underestimate the value of product management and good copywriting. Granted it’s probably a lot harder to find people with those skills in open source communities but I think that having a clear idea of who your target audience is goes a long way.